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Ask HN: Advices for Burnout and Depression?

#1
Hello HN.

Thanks for clicking. I hope I won't waste your time.

It's been some time since I've been struggling with depression. But something else happened for the last two months. I quit my job due to burnout. I couldn't handle the stress anymore and I felt it was a really toxic place.

Fast forward today... I'm still depressed and I still retained many addictions (porn, internet, smartphone, eating at late hours, excessive amounts of coffee) I have developed during this pandemic and working from home.

I still need to get a job eventually, but my brain doesn't let me have a break. I just feel guilty most of the time. If I try to sleep in the afternoon I still wake up panicked about where my life is going.

I tried practicing leetcode lately but I tend to panic and have feelings of guilt when I don't seem to know something trivial. I feel like I've become just a dumber version of myself while having a salary.

For the last 5 years I've been coding in C++. I simply don't want to see CMake anymore. I feel like I missed a lot of exciting stuff in other fields such as Data Science, ML, Cloud computing while I was just looking at compiler flags and treating signals, not even doing embedded, just system programming. I've been looking into Python and Go lately for a change, but I don't feel any real motivation.

Thanks for reading. I really could use some advice. I'm sorry if I wasted your time.

Re: Ask HN: Advices for Burnout and Depression?

#3
From my experience: 1) Keep your chin up, and do not blame yourself. Depression is due to some kind of ill-defined toxic effect in your environment. It's not due to bad ideas you have, nor past negative experiences. 2) Eschew all medication. The doctors do not sufficiently understand depression and their medicines can be destructive. 3) Put work into your spiritual life. Do loving things, for this is the work of Love who will repay you with Happiness.

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#4
Go to bed at regular times each night...https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-02/mm-u-iss0217... Reduce the time spent with screens...https://www.westernsydney.edu.au/nicm/news/less_screen_time_... Regularly get out into a park...https://www.sciencealert.com/street-trees-not-only-help-miti...

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#5
If your financial situation allows it consult a professional.

Go outside regurarily, exercise would be best.

Techwise i think that Go is a good idea if you are coming from C++ and want to get into cloud and web stuff.

Instead of leetcode i would try to create a small tool involving 2 technologies that is manageable to create in a few days. Finishing something feels very good and the positive feedback can get you into a positive loop.

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#6
Hey friend. I've been through some similar experiences myself, so I understand where you're coming from. Right now it probably feels like there is no hope but - trust me - there is. You must be a smart person, otherwise you wouldn't have been able to hold down a C++ job for five years. So you know you have talents and abilities that many other people didn't. For now, give yourself a break though. The fact that you have posted here shows that you, deep down, really want to make a better life for yourself and you are prepared to put the effort in to make that happen. You are the only person who can give yourself the life you truly want, but it's OK to ask for help when you need it. You are not alone, and you don't have to go through this alone. Maybe start by reflecting on those addictive patterns that you've already recognized, try instead to get regular sleep, get some exercise, spend at least some time outdoors. I won't write any more now because it's late in my timezone and I'm still in the process of teaching myself the discipline to order my life and define my own idea of success. You are strong. You've got this. Just give yourself some time and start trying to develop some healthy habits as a foundation for everything else.

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If your financial situation allows it consult a professional. Go outside regurarily, exercise would be best. Techwise i think that Go is a good idea if you are coming from C++ and want to get into cloud and web stuff. Instead of leetcode i would try to create a small tool involving 2 technologies that is manageable to create in a few days. Finishing something feels very good and the positive feedback can get you into…

> If your financial situation allows it consult a professional. Go outside regurarily, exercise would be best.

good advice.

to some extent we're all collections of habits - some helpful, some not so much. if there's a new habit that might be helpful to form (for me one is going for a 1+ hour walk in the sunshine every day - ideally 3 hours or so - unplugged from technology) then you can try it out. focus on making small incremental improvements. a few weeks or months of incremental improvements build up over time. one step at a time.

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#8
You're just having fear of missing out with regards to technology. Don't worry.

Simple steps that work: 1. Create a schedule of work and exercise 2. Stick to it 3. Get better sleep as a result of exercise 4. Speak to at least one person every day, even if it's just via text or video call

Rust might be a good shout as it's similar to c++ and there are tons of jobs going in it. Personally I wouldn't learn python these days as it's too slow without many hacks (source: I am a python developer). A high performance language like Julia will probably be preferable in the long run.

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#9
Hey,

Can I suggest the obvious? Therapy. We developers try to believe that everything that goes through us is rational, but it could be that unprocessed emotions are clouding your mind and making things harder for you. A Therapist might have trouble with computers but understands emotions very well and might help you to understand what you want and what really bothers you.

It is very hard to go through this alone and they can be the helping hand for us. If you have very good relationship with your family, partner or friends, that can be helpful as well, as long as it is positive and you feel heard. It is normal to also hit roadblocks and end up in a similar situation as you, having the right support should help you to cross this path.

Another thing I've noticed is that you have a big tendency to depreciate yourself and have extremely high expectations for you. Leetcode problems are hard and many trival things(like remembering how to calculate a median) isn't something everybody remember. You don't need to know it all. Also to receive a salary you don't need to be the very best of your field, you just need to do some work and your part. We aren't robots.

I am also having a hard time during the pandemic, if you feel like talking feel free to reach me out. I actually envy a lot C++ devs and their flags even though I know "cloud computing" ;-).

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#10
1. Go outside, walking for a bit whenever you can pursuade yourself. 2. Don't beat up yourself if you don't do it. 3. Talk to people. Be vulnerable. You'll be surprised how easy people open up. 4. Get some help dealing with your depression and burnout. Burnout/boreout is caused by doing things that take energy from you, or don't give you energy for too long. 5. Commit to finding out who you are. What drives you as a person? What gives you energy when you do it? 6. Learn to recognize when you're expending more energy than you get from work. This slowly drains your mental battery. Being able when this is happening allows you to either take a recharge break, or communicate to your boss that you need something else.

These pointa help me to not get in this situation again.

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