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Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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I was really excited about this truck until I saw they went the Tesla route with the giant touchscreen in the middle of the console. Do they think that this what EV buyers want because Tesla has it? I want a vehicle with simple tactile controls just like my ICE vehicle, but electric. Maybe I'm in the minority.

Base model and XLT have a 12" display with the physical A/C controls below it, same as what's in the normal F-150.

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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Anything less than a 500 mile range makes this a nonstarter compared to ICE models. Although from what I've read elsewhere they are putting nearly a ton (1800 pounds) of batteries in the thing. There are people who use trucks as commuters, but there are also people that are on the road or out in the puckerbrush actually working out of them. Charging infrastructure is not good, and not likely to get better overnight.…

Their hybrid models already outputs 7.2kw at 240v for jobsite usage, and the EV model can do up to 9.6kw.

I do think hybrids still have a place (and ford just introduced one). At some point it will flip where the hybrids are the EV base plus a gas/diesel/cng/hydrogen generator for people who do those thousand-mile cross country towing trips.

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

#53
post #49

I was really excited about this truck until I saw they went the Tesla route with the giant touchscreen in the middle of the console. Do they think that this what EV buyers want because Tesla has it? I want a vehicle with simple tactile controls just like my ICE vehicle, but electric. Maybe I'm in the minority.

Base model and XLT have a 12" display with the physical A/C controls below it, same as what's in the normal F-150.

Thanks, I missed that.

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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If they come out with a utility van version of this (ie, Transit), I can see it becoming quite popular. With the onboard inverter and 240V, there are a ton of trades and custom campers that would immediately find use for that.

It would be really cool to see a solar trickle charge setup for #vanlife

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post #50
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think gas stations are set up for this. Who wants to spend 25 minutes hanging out in a gas station convenience store? Cafes or any other place to relax for 25 minutes seems the fuel station of the future.

With EV charging stations, you don't need the expensive environmental cost of having gasoline and cost of operations. You can lease out a few parking spaces in your business (cafe, grocery, bookstores) parking lots and take a part of the profits of charging stations.

yup, i’ve seen a couple grocery stores near me installing electrify america stations, which makes a ton of sense, since most shoppers spend 30+ minutes per trip at a grocery store.

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

#56

If they come out with a utility van version of this (ie, Transit), I can see it becoming quite popular. With the onboard inverter and 240V, there are a ton of trades and custom campers that would immediately find use for that. It would be really cool to see a solar trickle charge setup for #vanlife

The E-Transit is featured toward the end of the video.

https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/e-transit/2022/

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

#57

This is needed ASAP to help the ice>ev transition speed up. Automakers should work together and just support Tesla charging stations. This would benefit everyone.

If it doesn't plug into a SuperCharger I expect to see a deep discount.

https://youtu.be/hA_B7qPyUDA?t=1131

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla has offered other companies access for years, and very few have accepted it: https://www.electrive.com/2020/12/22/tesla-superchargers-alr...

It's almost like everyone else is working together to create the actual de facto standard and Tesla can join or stay out in the cold. If one company is doing X and a lot of other companies are collectively doing Y then X is not the standard...

The point of a standard is to have it deployed.

That's where Tesla's edge lies ie, it's not just a spec somewhere on a pdf but an actual real charging network that... just works!

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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The reason we ended up with a Tesla, instead of a Kona electric, or any other EV, is the charging network. Where do you charge this thing and how long does it take? “You can only charge at home” doesn’t work for everyone. Maybe it does for this market though?

Ford has an agreement with Electrify America (built by VW using diesel-gate penalty funds [0]). By most accounts I've read, using it is relatively frictionless with the FordPass app [1]. The annoying part seems to be finding a station that has the right plug. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/10/vws-2-billion-penalty-for-di... [1] https://owner.ford.com/fordpass/fordpass-electric-vehicle-fe...

Frictionless... is a bit of a stretch here.

https://youtu.be/hA_B7qPyUDA?t=1131

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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post #3

Unlike a Tesla, your Ford's price isn't going to be the same as the MSRP. Dealers will charge what they think they can sell the vehicle for. If the demand is high, there will be a markup.

Eh, Tesla was advertising "MSRPs" including thousands in gas savings

Or well, I guess they still are.

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