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TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Wow, his comments were super honest as to his reasons for stepping down. It's refreshing in such a transition that it's not smothered in corporate speak written by lawyers or HR, or the common go-to of 'spending more time with family'.

Nothing is honest here.. it’s just becoming a state owned company...

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "The truth is, I lack some of the skills that make an ideal manager. I'm more interested in analysing organizational and market principles, and leveraging these theories to further reduce management work, rather than actually managing people," Mr Zhang wrote in a message on the company's website. "Similarly, I'm not very social, preferring solitary activities like being online, reading, listening to music, and cont…

> leveraging these theories to further reduce management work, rather than actually managing people somehow I think this is what a CEO should be doing, and then letting managers do the people management. CEO should be strategy, not keeping Karen in accounting dept. happy. Too many companies just continue doing whatever they have been doing for a long time, without any ability at reconsidering if this still fits the m…

Strategy involves keeping the team happy. Modern CEOs may have technical backgrounds, but once they become CEO, they are generalists, whether they like it or not. The problems that they personally have to solve are people-related, be it employees, customers, shareholders or regulators.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

#73
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funny reading the naive comments here that think his statements reflect the real reason he stepped down and not that the CCP forced him to amid a broader crackdown in china on tech companies guess that’s what happens when you’re in a tech bubble and totally oblivious to world affairs or news

And that’s exactly why China will take over the US.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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China seems to be aging faster than the middle class can get wealthy. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/01/chinas-aging-population-is-b...

I've come to realize that the inherent advantage to the China system is that it can dispose of people at will, it doesn't need to care about your feel and whether you want to be in the loser pack, all in the grand name of the greater good. That makes it nimble, and powerful, that means the system itself almost always wins, as for the people, well, good luck.

> it doesn't need to care about your feel and whether you want to be in the loser pack > as for the people, well, good luck.

I am more and more direct nowadays to point out the ridiculousness of comments like this:

This type of comments do not square with the facts in even the slightest sense.

China runs the world's largest and most successful poverty elimination program. How can a government doing this not care about you in the loser pack? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/27/asia...

In essence, a lot of such comments treat CCP as some kind of bizarre imaginary entity that automatically possess any negative traits for the topic being discussed.

Of course, the distribution of positive & negative comments are certainly always mixed.

But boy, oh boy, I never seen a single comment actually showing a decent understanding of CCP's functioning nowadays, in my 10+ years on hackernews.

Not a single comment.

Wow

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've come to realize that the inherent advantage to the China system is that it can dispose of people at will, it doesn't need to care about your feel and whether you want to be in the loser pack, all in the grand name of the greater good. That makes it nimble, and powerful, that means the system itself almost always wins, as for the people, well, good luck.

The CCP runs an arbitrage. It is willing to destroy any citizen’s life — to deprive, to immiserate, to extract - in exchange for marginally better systemic performance for the party state. Most other modern governments just aren’t willing and able to use and abuse their citizens to quite the same degree that the CCP is. And with a lot of expendable people + total control, you can drive some fast results. But this is…

> Most other modern governments just aren’t willing and able to use and abuse their citizens to quite the same degree that the CCP is.

Oh, really? Let's look at one metric: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_United_States_....

overall incarceration rate in the US is 639 per 100,000

The incarceration rate of the People's Republic of China varies depending on sources and measures. According to the World Prison Brief, the rate for only sentenced prisoners is 118 per 100,000 (as of 2015)

WTH is going on here?

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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post #73
post #66

funny reading the naive comments here that think his statements reflect the real reason he stepped down and not that the CCP forced him to amid a broader crackdown in china on tech companies guess that’s what happens when you’re in a tech bubble and totally oblivious to world affairs or news

And that’s exactly why China will take over the US.

I welcome our new Chinese overlords [1]. China is buying the white-man token on the dip, ignoring Western "diversity" premiums.

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-jobs-breakingvi...

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Not really. Snapchat and Instagram both introduced video features around the time Vine started declining. Instagram's video support is what killed the Vine userbase as the big creators moved off of Vine. TikTok didn't fill a void, it's a fantastic video app that did a lot of things right. There was a lot of new video apps after Vine died, none of them were successful.

Is it? I took a look at it after someone mentioned some days ago that it's available on the web, no account required. Searching for videos is pretty terrible, so I did want to create an account for more possibilities but that wasn't possible on the desktop. Then I installed Bluestacks, installed Tiktok, created a dummy account and took a proper look that time. The "For You" stuff was rather useless, so I searched for…

Tiktok has a different user base; they don't use email, phone, or SMS anymore, instead relying on Snapchat and WhatsApp, etc.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Not really. Snapchat and Instagram both introduced video features around the time Vine started declining. Instagram's video support is what killed the Vine userbase as the big creators moved off of Vine. TikTok didn't fill a void, it's a fantastic video app that did a lot of things right. There was a lot of new video apps after Vine died, none of them were successful.

TikTok most definitely filled the void left by Vine. Vine was short video, usually chopped up, lots of one person skits. That type of content was not popping up on Instagram or Snapchat. Snapchat video would disappear, Instagram video felt more like a typical Instagram post but with video, or just throw away stories. TikTok came in with short videos, collaboration tools, audio sharing, and has a realness that Instagr…

Vine had almost as many active users as Twitter, yet there are users actually claiming no one used it. smh

The service failed because it was in high competition and they lost momentum. While Tiktok succeeded simply because it was fresh, appeared at a time when demand for personal and videos was growing, and offered the right combination of UX that satisfied its target audience.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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TikTok most definitely filled the void left by Vine. Vine was short video, usually chopped up, lots of one person skits. That type of content was not popping up on Instagram or Snapchat. Snapchat video would disappear, Instagram video felt more like a typical Instagram post but with video, or just throw away stories. TikTok came in with short videos, collaboration tools, audio sharing, and has a realness that Instagr…

vine was used by almost no one. tiktok didn’t fill a void, it created a new space. all the reasons tik tok is successful didn’t exist on vine. the only thing they share is video

Yea nobody liked Vine. That's why Vine compilations still garner 20M+ views on YouTube 5 years after it was shut down. /s

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The CCP runs an arbitrage. It is willing to destroy any citizen’s life — to deprive, to immiserate, to extract - in exchange for marginally better systemic performance for the party state. Most other modern governments just aren’t willing and able to use and abuse their citizens to quite the same degree that the CCP is. And with a lot of expendable people + total control, you can drive some fast results. But this is…

> Most other modern governments just aren’t willing and able to use and abuse their citizens to quite the same degree that the CCP is. Oh, really? Let's look at one metric: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_United_States_... . overall incarceration rate in the US is 639 per 100,000 The incarceration rate of the People's Republic of China varies depending on sources and measures. According to the World Pri…

In what sense does a high rate of incarceration help the United States “system” though? This feels like a tenuous connection.
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