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TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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>Little wonder he navigated the company to such great success. After Twitter destroyed Vine it was clear something was needed to replace it and TikTok filled that void.

Not really. Snapchat and Instagram both introduced video features around the time Vine started declining. Instagram's video support is what killed the Vine userbase as the big creators moved off of Vine. TikTok didn't fill a void, it's a fantastic video app that did a lot of things right. There was a lot of new video apps after Vine died, none of them were successful.

>Instagram's video support is what killed the Vine userbase as the big creators moved off of Vine.

I don't really think that's the case. I'd still argue lack of investment from Twitter is what killed Vine.

>TikTok didn't fill a void, it's a fantastic video app that did a lot of things right.

Agree it's fair to say TikTok carved their own path to where they are today, but a lot of the same Vine-energy lives on in TikTok.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

#52

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>Little wonder he navigated the company to such great success. After Twitter destroyed Vine it was clear something was needed to replace it and TikTok filled that void.

Not really. Snapchat and Instagram both introduced video features around the time Vine started declining. Instagram's video support is what killed the Vine userbase as the big creators moved off of Vine. TikTok didn't fill a void, it's a fantastic video app that did a lot of things right. There was a lot of new video apps after Vine died, none of them were successful.

TikTok most definitely filled the void left by Vine. Vine was short video, usually chopped up, lots of one person skits. That type of content was not popping up on Instagram or Snapchat. Snapchat video would disappear, Instagram video felt more like a typical Instagram post but with video, or just throw away stories.

TikTok came in with short videos, collaboration tools, audio sharing, and has a realness that Instagram does not.

Also funny enough many Viners lived together in the same building so they could collaborate. We saw the same thing happen with TikTok.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

#53

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>Little wonder he navigated the company to such great success. After Twitter destroyed Vine it was clear something was needed to replace it and TikTok filled that void.

Not really. Snapchat and Instagram both introduced video features around the time Vine started declining. Instagram's video support is what killed the Vine userbase as the big creators moved off of Vine. TikTok didn't fill a void, it's a fantastic video app that did a lot of things right. There was a lot of new video apps after Vine died, none of them were successful.

I might be too naïve but being a new platform, evolved from Musical.ly, closer to the Gen-Z by just being something that their parents/teachers/"older" people won't use was the most determining factor in its explosion. So, Vine being bought and deeply connected by Twitter was definitely an issue for Vine.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Wow, his comments were super honest as to his reasons for stepping down. It's refreshing in such a transition that it's not smothered in corporate speak written by lawyers or HR, or the common go-to of 'spending more time with family'.

Whether or not they were scripted/forced, the comments show a refreshing amount of humility, honest, and lack of narcissism. Thumbs up!

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

#55

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>Little wonder he navigated the company to such great success. After Twitter destroyed Vine it was clear something was needed to replace it and TikTok filled that void.

Not really. Snapchat and Instagram both introduced video features around the time Vine started declining. Instagram's video support is what killed the Vine userbase as the big creators moved off of Vine. TikTok didn't fill a void, it's a fantastic video app that did a lot of things right. There was a lot of new video apps after Vine died, none of them were successful.

Is it? I took a look at it after someone mentioned some days ago that it's available on the web, no account required. Searching for videos is pretty terrible, so I did want to create an account for more possibilities but that wasn't possible on the desktop. Then I installed Bluestacks, installed Tiktok, created a dummy account and took a proper look that time. The "For You" stuff was rather useless, so I searched for some good music (from a specific genre) and liked some videos which resulted in me being recommended more music of that genre. OK. Now, obviously, I wanted to see something more than just footage from groups performing, so I looked for some easy-to-find things and liked those. Made no difference for the "For You" recommendations though. Eventually, 2-3 other topics trickled in and completely replaced the music footage (despite me often watching to the end). Then I found out that you can mark videos as "not interested" by holding down the mouse button...which basically completely killed two topics because I'm not intersted in stupid captions or annoying effects. And apparently you can't block effects....or captions...or hashtags. Heck, I selected that video language filter option from the very beginning but it doesn't apply to the "Discover" part of the app at all and doesn't even work with the "For You" stuff properly. Why can't I directly filter out certain things? I can do so with creators and music apparently, but not with hashtags, videos from specific countries, videos in a specific language etc. Then there is also the issue with "not interested" not working most of the time. Only after doing that to Vietnamese military parade videos four times has it appeared to work. When it comes to meme videos, Corona and politics, it doesn't work at all, no matter how often I select it. I'm also stuck watching the same kind of videos over and over and over again. One would think the app would recommend something else entirely after someone sweeps at least 90% of the time immediately. Ah, also, the categories-that-you-like selection is utterly pointless too apparently. The only one I selected from the very beginning was "gaming" and out of hundreds of videos, there was only one which was gaming-related. Since the search function is terrible, I can't search for multiple hashtags or very specific things like "bla-bla". And single-hashtag is pointless since at least 95% of the videos I'm not interested in + there is the overlap of words of course. If I'm looking for the MSX computer, then I'm getting different results of course because "MSX" is a more popular thing for X and Y. Something else that I've noticed is that, possibly because of demographics, most of the videos feature girls/women, even something typically male-dominated like farming/agriculture is like 50/50 while everything else seems to be 90+%.

Anyway, just some ranting because I don't think I can understand why this is so popular, despite being so unusable. Granted, at best I would use it as an appetizer for proper content (like after listening to a good tune, looking for the full song or hearing/seeing some interesting tidbit and looking for more information). If people that talk aren't involved, it also rather reminds me of flash loops from days (more or less) gone by, just with terrible captions as an addition.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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China seems to be aging faster than the middle class can get wealthy. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/01/chinas-aging-population-is-b...

I've come to realize that the inherent advantage to the China system is that it can dispose of people at will, it doesn't need to care about your feel and whether you want to be in the loser pack, all in the grand name of the greater good. That makes it nimble, and powerful, that means the system itself almost always wins, as for the people, well, good luck.

The CCP runs an arbitrage. It is willing to destroy any citizen’s life — to deprive, to immiserate, to extract - in exchange for marginally better systemic performance for the party state. Most other modern governments just aren’t willing and able to use and abuse their citizens to quite the same degree that the CCP is. And with a lot of expendable people + total control, you can drive some fast results. But this is also why the world needs to firmly reject such unethical governance plays, by banding together to shun and decouple from any ruling elite that tries to run them.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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> "The truth is, I lack some of the skills that make an ideal manager. I'm more interested in analysing organizational and market principles, and leveraging these theories to further reduce management work, rather than actually managing people," Mr Zhang wrote in a message on the company's website. "Similarly, I'm not very social, preferring solitary activities like being online, reading, listening to music, and cont…

> leveraging these theories to further reduce management work, rather than actually managing people somehow I think this is what a CEO should be doing, and then letting managers do the people management. CEO should be strategy, not keeping Karen in accounting dept. happy. Too many companies just continue doing whatever they have been doing for a long time, without any ability at reconsidering if this still fits the m…

Every job in management is managing people, IMHO. That CEO is watching after VPs who are themselves people with typical people issues. It's people all the way up. :)

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

#58
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Snapchat and Instagram both introduced video features around the time Vine started declining. Instagram's video support is what killed the Vine userbase as the big creators moved off of Vine. TikTok didn't fill a void, it's a fantastic video app that did a lot of things right. There was a lot of new video apps after Vine died, none of them were successful.

TikTok most definitely filled the void left by Vine. Vine was short video, usually chopped up, lots of one person skits. That type of content was not popping up on Instagram or Snapchat. Snapchat video would disappear, Instagram video felt more like a typical Instagram post but with video, or just throw away stories. TikTok came in with short videos, collaboration tools, audio sharing, and has a realness that Instagr…

> Also funny enough many Viners lived together in the same building so they could collaborate.

Yep, 1600 Vine St. It’s a nice apartment building with lots of YouTube (and now TikTok) stars.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

#59
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Snapchat and Instagram both introduced video features around the time Vine started declining. Instagram's video support is what killed the Vine userbase as the big creators moved off of Vine. TikTok didn't fill a void, it's a fantastic video app that did a lot of things right. There was a lot of new video apps after Vine died, none of them were successful.

Is it? I took a look at it after someone mentioned some days ago that it's available on the web, no account required. Searching for videos is pretty terrible, so I did want to create an account for more possibilities but that wasn't possible on the desktop. Then I installed Bluestacks, installed Tiktok, created a dummy account and took a proper look that time. The "For You" stuff was rather useless, so I searched for…

I like it because it just has stupid memes and jokes, and some cool recipes and stuff - it's easy to browse for 10 minutes on a break and it feels organic.

Instagram and YouTube etc. have all become incredibly corporate with professional production studios etc. dominating the platforms - I imagine the same might happen to TikTok eventually, but at the moment you can just see a funny video someone made of their cat, and the cat isn't sponsored by SquareSpace.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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For those unfamiliar with ByteDance, they’re actually much bigger than you might think, and have become serious competitors to China’s leading tech companies (BATX + H) [1]: - Baidu - Alibaba - Tencent - Xiaomi - Huawei You can see how their offering compare in this Big Tech Spreadsheet [2]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BATX [2] https://miguelrochefort.com/blog/big-tech

It bothers me that the acronym is two non-words.

I propose X-BATH

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