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Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by gerikson »

edm0nd wrote: post #261
rideontime wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who followed the Magic: The Gathering Online eXchange drama as it unfolded, I'm amazed anyone would hire him for a technical role.

If he lived anywhere else besides Japan, he would have done jail time for the amount of fraud he did. He deserved that and got off light IMO. Dude is a complete joke and useless.

He spent around 1 year in custody before being released on bail.

And he's sentenced to 30 months, suspended.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Karpel%C3%A8s#Arrest_and_...

From all I've read, custody before sentencing in Japan is no picknick.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by russss »

ValentineC wrote: post #218
russss wrote: post #176

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> It seems to me like this is a shortcoming of the English (and American) legal system, where non-profit organizations and such can only be founded as "regular" companies and then tax-exempted. This means they are still subject to all the normal procedures surrounding companies like sales, and still tend to have one or a few owners who are solely in charge of everything. This isn't true in the UK. There's a structure…

> This isn't true in the UK. There's a structure called a Company Limited by Guarantee, which has no shareholders so it can't be sold. It's an association. There's one more structure that's (so far) exclusive to the UK: the Charitable Incorporated Organisation [1]. It can be founded as either a foundation (trustees and voting members are the same) or association (usually a larger group of voting members). The key adv…

A CIO is more onerous than a CLG because a CIO is a charity, and comes with the charitable reporting requirements (and also the tax benefits).

A pure CLG doesn't have the charitable tax benefits but it's still a non-profit governance structure, and you only have to file with Companies House and HMRC. The CLG is the lowest-hassle non-profit structure.

(Confusingly, CLGs can also be charities - because charitable status can act as a "wrapper" around other corporate structures - and indeed a lot of charities are CLGs because the CIO is a more recent invention.)

I wrote about this, ages ago, I think it's mostly still correct:

https://russ.garrett.co.uk/2009/10/25/starting-a-non-profit-...

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by metreo »

esjeon wrote: post #248
Scarbutt wrote: post #240

What economic value does Freenode has?

Network + personal info, I guess...? But a catch here is that most people in the network are proficient in technology, which makes it difficult to abuse them like how Facebook does to its users.

I guess only if they know about it though

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by chriswarbo »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #204
chriswarbo wrote: post #178

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> Whether a monarchy without a written constitution, or separation of Church and State can be considered a democracy is left as an exercise to the reader. That's begging the question, since it assumes an objective answer. Rather, "it is up to the reader whether they consider a monarchy without a written consistution, or separation of Church and State, to be a democracy". Even that is rather silly, since it's drawing…

>Some are pretty clean, e.g. direct democracy is more democratic than representative democracy // Unless the people want representational democracy but are forced into direct democracy. Or, in theory (and I can't stress that enough that this is theoretical), representational democracy could better represent people than they can represent for themselves .. I can fix my own windows, but the glazier will probably do a b…

> Unless the people want representational democracy but are forced into direct democracy.

That's a category error; you're comparing a decision-making process to a decision. A totalitarian dictatorship is not more democratic than a body of elected representatives, even if the people voted to implement that dictatorship. It's like the XKCD comic which claims the number 4 is random, because it came up in a die roll.

> Or, in theory (and I can't stress that enough that this is theoretical), representational democracy could better represent people than they can represent for themselves

Sure, but what has that got to do with the relative level of democracy between those systems? "Democratic" isn't a synonym for "good" or "best". It's perfectly possible for a more democratic system of governance to produce outcomes which are "worse" (according to whatever measure we care about). The rest of your comment seems to be further conflation between "democratic" and "good".

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by atatatat »

captainredbeard wrote: post #148
atatatat wrote: post #113

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Who's we...? Anyway, many Matrix rooms are welcoming of ignorant people of all flavors, ha — check it out.

The Left is probably the most ignorant political group despite being composed of generally great people because they all make the assumption that those who dare disagree do it out of ignorance or malice.

This doesn't seem like a productive topic for...anyone.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by duskwuff »

silicon2401 wrote: post #46
kuroguro wrote: post #12

Q: Do accounts/channels that have been inactive for years get purged automatically? Used to have some stuff there, not sure if it's worth the time to find the correct emails/passwords.

Piggybacking off this, what's a good way to archive Freenode content? I think I may still have some content on there from over a decade ago

You're probably thinking of the wrong service. Freenode is an IRC chat network, not a web site or other service with permanently stored "content".

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by vmception »

edm0nd wrote: post #261
rideontime wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who followed the Magic: The Gathering Online eXchange drama as it unfolded, I'm amazed anyone would hire him for a technical role.

If he lived anywhere else besides Japan, he would have done jail time for the amount of fraud he did. He deserved that and got off light IMO. Dude is a complete joke and useless.

Given that he was sold a fractional reserve system without his knowledge and the US government revealed that BTC-E was the hacker that made it a fractional reserve

Doesnt that suggest him being sentenced at all was wrong and makes him a fall guy?

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by vlmutolo »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #177
vlmutolo wrote: post #107

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Even if you don't check, other people should know that this is extremely misleading. > Fewer clients, way more complex protocol This is actually a valid complaint, though it's partly due to Matrix being pretty young. The other part is that Matrix does a lot more for you than IRC (eg e2ee and federation) and those extra features require complexity. > The identity server is centralized This is a completely optional par…

> This one is way off. Synapse, the "one complete server" you must be referring to, is going to be deprecated. The Matrix Foundation team is working on Dendrite to replace it. I hugely disagree. I have tried to setup a "homeserver". Synapse is huge beast, complex, CPU and memory-hungry, hard to setup (no, a Docker or VM instance does not mean easy to setup). Dendrite is not ready and has been "not ready" for years, n…

I don't think anything you wrote contradicts what I said in the parent comment. In the section you quoted, I only meant to say that other homeserver projects are definitely not dead. There are a bunch that are actively developed and improving.

It's also true that the new homeservers aren't yet ready for prime time. But they're coming along really fast.

It's true that homeservers by third parties had a bit of a rough time in the beginning due to finding "bugs" in the spec that no one noticed before because there had previously only been a single homeserver implementation. That situation has been improving though. I've seen Conduit development result in several different patches submitted to the upstream Matrix spec.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by vlmutolo »

m-p-3 wrote: post #139
vlmutolo wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you don't check, other people should know that this is extremely misleading. > Fewer clients, way more complex protocol This is actually a valid complaint, though it's partly due to Matrix being pretty young. The other part is that Matrix does a lot more for you than IRC (eg e2ee and federation) and those extra features require complexity. > The identity server is centralized This is a completely optional par…

> This one is way off. Synapse, the "one complete server" you must be referring to, is going to be deprecated. The Matrix Foundation team is working on Dendrite to replace it. Interesting, I've always been reticent to host my own instance because of how complex Synapse is to setup for the uninitiated. Hopefully Dendrite makes it simpler.

I bet Conduit is going to be the easiest to deploy once it's finished. It's a single binary (with the database included).

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by gwillen »

tazjin wrote: post #9

If this leads to a mass exodus from Freenode, it'll probably significantly reduce overall IRC usage. Communities will fracture, people will set up random splinter networks that will die off in a few months, and lots of open-source projects that already want to be using something Javascripty like Slack or Discord are going to use this as the motivating thing to make the switch. Personally I'm staying put on Freenode b…

I think libera.chat has successfully positioned itself as the clear successor to freenode; all the projects I'm a part of on freenode have moved / are moving there. I'm sure it's not perfect, and it's been having some teething issues with load and such (as expected). But it seems like ~100% of freenode's volunteer staff have moved over to libera.chat, so my impression is that the writing is on the wall for freenode. (The server links were never especially stable when they _had_ staff; now that they have no staff, I expect stability to suffer heavily.)
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