Leaving Freenode for a new network

Post by joepie91_ » Wed, May 19, 2021, 2:10 PM UTC

stryan wrote: post #129

joepie91_ wrote: post #92

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As stated above, these are completely optional and only used for contact discovery (and password resets in the case of e-mail). Edit: Though I believe that matrix.org requires an e-mail address nowadays. But most homeservers don't.

matrix.org does not, though it does have a prompt for e-mail on registration page. There's a line of text under it explaining that this is for optional opt-in contact discovery and password resets.

Post by Pet_Ant » Wed, May 19, 2021, 2:11 PM UTC

fmajid wrote: post #121

bsedlm wrote: post #88

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> Are they saying Andrew Lee got an NSL for freenode? no of course they are not saying that, they would be punished if they did (because it would be illegal). now, that such a thing exists in a "democracy"... is a topic on its own broader scope.

Apparently it’s in the UK, where judges are prompt to issue “superinjunctions” where even discussing the injunction is contempt of court and can incur a prison sentence. Whether a monarchy without a written constitution, or separation of Church and State can be considered a democracy is left as an exercise to the reader.

Post by m-p-3 » Wed, May 19, 2021, 2:13 PM UTC

weinzierl wrote: post #122

vurpo wrote: post #84

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The Matrix identity server system is entirely optional to use, and basically a separate system from the rest of Matrix. The reason for that is that there's not really any way to implement that specific feature in a decentralized way, so they did the next best thing by making it a centralized server that you can choose to use (opt-in) in case you want people to be able to find your Matrix ID based on your phone number…

> The Matrix identity server system is entirely optional to use, I remember that I gave my email when I signed up for Matrix at element.io but haven't found a way how to find out if I'm using the identity server. If my email ended up there, how can I see if it is public? How do I actually query the identity system for information, especially which information it has about myself? I have tried to find this out, but it…

Post by supportlocal4h » Wed, May 19, 2021, 2:13 PM UTC

stryan wrote: post #111

pmoriarty wrote: post #93

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"Using the centralized identity server is entirely opt-in" So there are no channels on Matrix that require you to identify yourself before you can join?

Not OP but no channels require you identify yourself through email/phone/etc to join. As far as I know there's not even a mechanism to do that. Third Party ID's (email etc) are only used for opt-in contact discovery.

Post by m-p-3 » Wed, May 19, 2021, 2:15 PM UTC

vlmutolo wrote: post #107

newvectorllc wrote: post #54

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Why does it matter? Matrix is no IRC. Fewer clients, way more complex protocol, the identity server is centralized, only one complete server implementation exists (and it seems like that's the only one that will ever exist, other attempts appear dead, despite the list on matrix.org) and worse than Freenode being owned by private capital, all of Matrix is controlled by New Vector LLC -- the protocol, the clients, and…

Even if you don't check, other people should know that this is extremely misleading. > Fewer clients, way more complex protocol This is actually a valid complaint, though it's partly due to Matrix being pretty young. The other part is that Matrix does a lot more for you than IRC (eg e2ee and federation) and those extra features require complexity. > The identity server is centralized This is a completely optional par…