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Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by maxerickson »

semerda wrote: post #14

Gattaca. I’m curious tho where does it stop. For example, US stopped TB vax long time ago while half of EU continues. Those born in EU bear the scars on their arms from the vax. Sure TB isn’t as prevalent in the US as it used to be but there’s nothing stopping it from coming on a plane. Bacterial infections of the lungs are very hard to fight esp with the increase of antibiotic resistance. A single cough from a TB in…

It'll probably stop shortly after France achieves a high enough level of vaccination to (more or less) stop community spread.

Based on the UK, Israel and the US, 60% looks like it gets you pretty close to that.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by maxerickson »

stdclass wrote: post #11
underdeserver wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the alternative is death, sure.

Which it certainly is not, if you look at the numbers.

People sick with corona going to events will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by WayToDoor »

wazari972 wrote: post #7

> But starting from that, can we implement what seemed to be the initial goal stated in the government's document ? why not simply having 2 QR codes, one full, one light ... ?

Because

- People would have to know which QR to show - Organizers could get more access to data by telling users "not that QR, the other one" ?

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by raverbashing »

iamarealperson wrote: post #2

I find the principle of a "health pass" a little disturbing. Do we want to live in a society where we have to prove something about our health in order to attend events ?

Yes I do want the events that I attend to not be attended by self-centered people who think "their rights" (to an enclosed space during a pandemic) trump the collective safety of the place.

So no, what I do find disturbing is that some people prefer to spread deadly diseases because they can't be bothered with the collective

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by mytailorisrich »

xdennis wrote: post #16
mytailorisrich wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In general no, we don't. But pragmatically in the current circumstances this seems to be the best option (or least bad) until things are sorted.

> current circumstances As Milton said, "Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program." Officials have already hinted that masks, lockdowns, etc. will be implemented (at least seasonally) forever.

Well, of course masks and lockdowns will be mandated if needed in the future.

If there's an outbreak of a serious contagious disease then measures deemed necessary when that happens will be implemented. It's nothing sinister, just common sense and that has been the case for centuries.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by flal_ »

lovasoa wrote: post #9
wazari972 wrote: post #7

> But starting from that, can we implement what seemed to be the initial goal stated in the government's document ? why not simply having 2 QR codes, one full, one light ... ?

What would you put in the "light" QR code ? If you put the date of the test, then the organizer can access it. If you don't, then they can't check whether your test is recent enough to be authorized to attend their event.

Like the original author states, than can't be done without a trusted 3rd party ( say a token with a service telling you whether the pass is valid at current date)

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by hntroll1221 »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #10
iamarealperson wrote: post #2

I find the principle of a "health pass" a little disturbing. Do we want to live in a society where we have to prove something about our health in order to attend events ?

Yes. Are you familiar with what public health is? Such restrictions are so people are encouraged to get vaccinated. Taking something away so far is most effective way to convince people.

That'd be placing people under duress to undergo a medical procedure, which is a violation of the Nuremberg Code.

Leftists are going for internal passport systems and repeating the mistakes of the Nazis. How much more would a reasonable person need to see before becoming concerned about the direction of the world lately?

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by Cederfjard »

xdennis wrote: post #16
mytailorisrich wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In general no, we don't. But pragmatically in the current circumstances this seems to be the best option (or least bad) until things are sorted.

> current circumstances As Milton said, "Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program." Officials have already hinted that masks, lockdowns, etc. will be implemented (at least seasonally) forever.

To clarify for anyone else like me who haven’t had their coffee, this is Milton Friedman, not John Milton (I figured the lingo sounded a bit too modern).

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by carstenhag »

WayToDoor wrote: post #15
xdennis wrote: post #13

> citizens will have to present the pass either as a printed document, or a code in the french government's TousAntiCovid mobile application What about people who don't have phones or printers?

They give you the paper at the vaccination center or when getting your test result.

In Germany this paper is just that, a paper. It has 0 safety measurements. You can get blank ones for cheap, via the internet or your doctor. From Biontech or the other vaccine manufacturers you can get the blank charge number thingies which you can then stick onto the paper. You have to fake a signage but nobody can tell whether it's fake or not.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by DanBC »

hntroll1221 wrote: post #27
dzhiurgis wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Are you familiar with what public health is? Such restrictions are so people are encouraged to get vaccinated. Taking something away so far is most effective way to convince people.

That'd be placing people under duress to undergo a medical procedure, which is a violation of the Nuremberg Code. Leftists are going for internal passport systems and repeating the mistakes of the Nazis. How much more would a reasonable person need to see before becoming concerned about the direction of the world lately?

> Leftists are going for internal passport systems and repeating the mistakes of the Nazis.

You lose any credibility when you compare compulsory vaccination to genocidal campaigns that killed 6-7million Jewish people and 2-4million disabled people, lgbt people, and Gypsy, Roma and Traveller people.

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