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Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?

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Re: Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?

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Post by vanusa »

iskander wrote: post #248
devmunchies wrote: post #210

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$38 billion. woah. if US continues to give Israel unconditional aid then it will start to look like a vassal state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassal_state

It's primarily a subsidy for American weapons manufacturers (from whom the Israelis have to make purchases), mixed with a hefty R&D budget for new military technology like Iron Dome.

"Primarily" is more than a bit of stretch, here.

All observation of U.S.-Israel relations since 1967 indicate that it's driven by a very strong ideological (and perceived electoral) component. In fact it's hard to think of a single case of a ("friendly") country for which the degree of U.S. support is less ideological.

Pork barreling plays a role for sure as well, but it's definitely second fiddle.

Re: Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?

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Post by mslm »

betterunix2 wrote: post #563
birksherty wrote: post #552

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Which happened in response to waht? Don't be posting such a biased, one-sided story.

In response to an aggressive police action at a Muslim holy site, which was in response to rock-throwing protesters, who were protesting various civil disputes in Jerusalem. Are you actually suggesting that rocket fire is justified because of overly aggressive policing?

"Civil disputes"? At this point even CNN has broadcasted interviews with targets of these "civil disputes" who make it abundantly clear that they're being ethnically cleansed and forced out of their homes.

Re: Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?

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Post by mslm »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #421
jussij wrote: post #409

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The facts remain; Israel did bomb the offices of Al Jazeera and The Associated Press. That action looks a lot like Israel targeting news agencies and the two news agencies involved have both raised their concerns about that unprecedented action by Israel.

> That action looks a lot like Israel targeting news agencies and the two news agencies involved have both raised their concerns about that unprecedented action by Israel. They might be targeting those news agencies, but not for the purpose of suppressing images on the ground, which is what we were talking about. It's just implausible given the totality of evidence that that is the main concern. You can't just look a…

There is such a thing as being too haughty and thinking, "why not?". Given the impunity with which they're currently carrying out their massacres, it wouldn't have seemed to them that blowing up a media building would be problematic. Now they're getting railed even by people who would normally not care otherwise.

Re: Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?

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Post by mslm »

cnlevy wrote: post #590
gokhan wrote: post #454

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IDF couldn't provide any evidence of Hamas' existence in that building, it was all over the media yesterday. https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1394287848950427649

The postman was late. It doesn't mean there's no evidence https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1394631387265777666

There needs to be an independent investigation, as top AP people have said. The world won't at this point believe any "evidence" because the criminal claims they have it.

Re: Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?

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Post by belorn »

DSingularity wrote: post #624
belorn wrote: post #579

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DSingularity above is talking about 2% owning 8% of the land, with "92% accept that so much of what is rightfully theirs would be forcefully taken from them". If you are saying I am confusing land and people, what is the 2% and 8% number referring to in the above comment? People and land? If so, what people, and what land?

At the time of the British mandate the Jewish minority — 2% of the population — owned a total of 8% of the land. So, my point was, why do you blame the Arabs for not accepting the partition plan which came to impose a forceful transfer of land from the majority to the minority. When you consider the facts you can clearly see why the Palestinians opposed the initial partition plan of Palestine.

Yes, but then my initial comment above about the Jewish population and the arab population is not confusing land and people. The Jewish population owned 2%, and the arab population owned X amount of land, while Y amount of land was owned cooperatively by individuals of both. It would be interesting to know what X and Y is.

The partitioning of land was obviously unfair after world war 2. I doubt anyone actually disagree with it. Land getting repossessed and captured during wars is never fair, and it was not the only border change that occurred when the world war ended. The allies did not just keep the borders at they were at the beginning of ww2, through much of the land grabs has been mostly forgotten outside of people studying history. The Israeli–Palestinian conflict is one of the few remaining land conflicts from the war.

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Post by nl »

smileybarry wrote: post #655
nl wrote: post #400

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> And Bnei Brak is the #5 most densely populated city, far more densely populated than Gaza. This is only because the term "city" is used inconsistently around the world. Bnei Brak is part of the district of Tel Aviv, and most geographers would consider it part of the Tel Aviv-Yafo urban agglomerations[1]. The absolute size of an area puts a ceiling on the density - roads etc take up space, and the larger the area th…

Bnei Brak is part of the "Tel Aviv metropolitan area" but it's not part of the city of Tel Aviv, in the classic meaning: it has its own municipality, budgets, taxing system, etc. Counting it as the same city in any meaning would be wrong as the two have very different goals re: neighborhood design, density, commercial business focus, events, city services, etc.

It's part of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv_District

Many "cities" have political structures similar to what you describe.

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geofft wrote: post #570
three14 wrote: post #530

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I'd like to think I would have resisted responding, but I see another response that doesn't answer your question, so, oh well- The dictionary seems to use "murder" for premeditated killing. Even if you think Israelis are the devil incarnate, killing children doesn't serve their interests. You have to go pretty far into conspiracy territory to believe they secretly want those children to die, and then turn around and…

Is it a conspiracy theory, then, that the US engaged in the premeditated killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, deliberately obliterating an area much wider than the legitimate military targets in those cities - that they in fact wanted a large number of civilians to die - and then turned around and argued (almost certainly correctly!) that they were actually trying to minimize civil…

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Post by sequoia »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #612
sequoia wrote: post #600

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I’m responding with derision because you’re so casually hand-waving away attacks on Israel as no big deal or not the same because they are “able to flee” (you still haven’t specified where is the safe place they can flee to). Have some empathy for Israeli civilians, just as you have empathy for Gazan civilians. As for the technical question of “most densely populated“ or “more densely populated“ I don’t know why peop…

The fact of the matter is that Israeli civilians have options that Gazan Palestinians do not . I'm empathetic to them as well — it's horrible that anyone has to fear being killed in a conflict. But there is absolutely a disparity, and it's not "hand-waving" to note that it exists without qualification. That disparity, by the way, is exactly why it doesn't make sense to compare Gaza to cities with regard to population…

Gaza is not technically a city. I encourage you to learn more about the fundamentals and history of this situation before making broad assertions about it.

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Post by yannis »

nroets wrote: post #480
squeaky-clean wrote: post #97

Not really related to the article at hand, but I've been on a bit of a Google Maps binge the past couple weeks. I learned a few interesting facts, blurry Israel being one of them. Another strange thing I found that might not be super well known (I didn't know about it) is that all GPS data in China is offset by a nonlinear psuedo-random amount. If you turn on the satellite view in Google Maps and look at various citi…

All Google products except the Google Translate App are blocked in China. So no Google maps. I spent 2 months cycling China from Hong Kong to Beijing. Despite only using Chinese characters, Baidu maps worked very well for me. I copied the characters I needed (Hotel, supermarket) into it from the translator. Here's my journal https://www.cycleblaze.com/journals/5000years

Thanks for posting it. Very interesting to read.

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Post by jakelazaroff »

sequoia wrote: post #668
jakelazaroff wrote: post #612

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The fact of the matter is that Israeli civilians have options that Gazan Palestinians do not . I'm empathetic to them as well — it's horrible that anyone has to fear being killed in a conflict. But there is absolutely a disparity, and it's not "hand-waving" to note that it exists without qualification. That disparity, by the way, is exactly why it doesn't make sense to compare Gaza to cities with regard to population…

Gaza is not technically a city. I encourage you to learn more about the fundamentals and history of this situation before making broad assertions about it.

Curious that you keep trying to compare its density to cities rather than other territories, then.

Anyway, we’re clearly talking past each other. Have a nice day!

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