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Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

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Maybe this is a good time and place to ask - let's say I want to buy something using Ethereum. Is it correct that when I look at, say, https://ycharts.com/indicators/ethereum_average_transaction_... , you have to pay USD 20 just as payment fees? I wrote off Bitcoin as a payment mechanism a long time ago because of this (although it seems BTC tx costs are now lower than ETH?), is this the direction tx costs for all cr…

No, there are coins like Bitcoin Cash that have ridiculously low fees and are accepted in tons of physical stores across the world. BTC refuses to scale, Lightning is permanently broken. Ethereum will reduce the fees with sharing, but that will take time.

> in tons of physical stores across the world.

Compared to other crypto, or on the scale of Visa and MasterCard?

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

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For the people who criticize as to why they've taken so long in shifting to a PoS model: consensus takes time, so does developing and testing something that definitively shouldn't go wrong. Also, there's the inherent issue with Proof-of-Stake that Proof-of-Work doesn't have: the initial distribution of the coin has to be wide enough before it could feasibly self-maintain a PoS shift without being immediately vulnerab…

I wonder if it's already on on a testnet

Here's the testnet: https://nocturne.rayonism.io/

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

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post #133

Good. Very good. This may be a radical take, but I think nations should introduce some unprecedented legislation: ban trade of proof-of-work cryptocurrencies. Don't ban their trade because they make poor financial products, either because of rampant fraud or criminal activity. That's a different argument and requires different approaches. Ban their trade because global society shouldn't accept rampant incentives to l…

I cringe every time I see such comments. Ban bitcoin or ban beef because it uses too much energy. Humanity will continue to require energy as it advances and banning anything "because it uses too much energy" is a ridiculous advice. How about we ban gold mining, or set quotas on the number of children people may have, that will surely contribute to our CO2 reduction goals. It's also Orwellian and reminiscent of how t…

Communities tend to ban harmful things.

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

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post #159
post #133

Good. Very good. This may be a radical take, but I think nations should introduce some unprecedented legislation: ban trade of proof-of-work cryptocurrencies. Don't ban their trade because they make poor financial products, either because of rampant fraud or criminal activity. That's a different argument and requires different approaches. Ban their trade because global society shouldn't accept rampant incentives to l…

I cringe every time I see such comments. Ban bitcoin or ban beef because it uses too much energy. Humanity will continue to require energy as it advances and banning anything "because it uses too much energy" is a ridiculous advice. How about we ban gold mining, or set quotas on the number of children people may have, that will surely contribute to our CO2 reduction goals. It's also Orwellian and reminiscent of how t…

We have banned a ton of things because they are bad for the environment. It has worked and will continue to work. Things like building design and construction standards are set to a minimum environmental standard, why shouldn't cryptocurrencies.

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

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post #152
post #133

Good. Very good. This may be a radical take, but I think nations should introduce some unprecedented legislation: ban trade of proof-of-work cryptocurrencies. Don't ban their trade because they make poor financial products, either because of rampant fraud or criminal activity. That's a different argument and requires different approaches. Ban their trade because global society shouldn't accept rampant incentives to l…

Many industries do a lot of harm to the environment for profits. On the spectrum of those, where do cryptos fall? I don't know and personally hold only a little bit, nothing I would be very pained to lose, but it would certainly cause a lot of economic harm to a lot of people to do what you propose. The idea cannot be taken seriously without first answering my question.

Youtube alone uses 2x the amout of energy as the entire Bitcoin network, for perspective.

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

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What are the attack vectors on PoS. With PoW you need 51% of the mining power to take over the system, which is very labor intensive to set up. With PoS could you take over all coins by buying 51% of the existing coins? So if the market cap of ETH is 200BB spend 100BB to double your money?

Most of these PoS protocols use pBFT consensus (instead of nakamoto consensus) which means it would only require 1/3 instead of 1/2

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

#177
post #123

I was fairly into the space in 2014-2016 but stopped paying attention the last few years. It seems like lots of theorized applications actually exist and have a proof-of-concept now. If I’m building a marketplace business in 2021, where I want to be “crypto-first” instead of relying on PayPal and Stripe Connect, where do I start? The marketplace sells access to resources with an off-chain ACL system. It facilitates t…

Realistically, you can't. Unless you want to be a very early adopter, no mainstream businesses are accepting payments in crypto. Techwise, Coinbase has a thing: https://commerce.coinbase.com/ But I've absolutely never seen it in the wild.

Um...that's not strictly the case though? https://blog.bitgo.com/24-major-businesses-accepting-bitcoin...

(Tesla has recanted 'for now').

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

#178
post #99

I hope this means i will be able to buy a graphics card soon.

You can buy them right now. In fact, two months ago I bought six 3090s and 15 3080s with a two phone calls and maybe twenty clicks.

The part you're missing is the price. It's my secret, but I'll share it here. You can buy a Dell R12 with one of those cards and, upon receiving it, sell the components for more than the purchase price.

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

#179
post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to put an anecdote to the question, I made a withdrawal from my mining pool to my wallet 2 days ago and for an nearly instant transaction it cost me ~$2USD. Higher than I'd want in any currency, but it definitely wasn't $20USD

Strange. I made ~5 ETH transactions a few days ago (interacting with a smart contract) and paid ~$90 each. Around the same time I made a few transfers, and spent about $25 each.

Yeah gas fees have been all over the place, and smart contract interaction can be really $$$

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

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post #90
post #75

Maybe this is a good time and place to ask - let's say I want to buy something using Ethereum. Is it correct that when I look at, say, https://ycharts.com/indicators/ethereum_average_transaction_... , you have to pay USD 20 just as payment fees? I wrote off Bitcoin as a payment mechanism a long time ago because of this (although it seems BTC tx costs are now lower than ETH?), is this the direction tx costs for all cr…

Yes ETH gas price (transaction fee) have been very high, much higher than BTC lately... Not all cryptocurrency have such insane transaction fees though. NANO is a good example of a fee-less cryptocurrency (cf. https://nano.org/ )

The important take away from this comment is that nano like other “fee-less” cryptocurrency have little use so they’re clever way to achieve these goals have not been really tested. For example nano was recently DoSd for multiple days because of their clever no fee solution.
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