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More Scientists Urge Broad Inquiry into Coronavirus Origins

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Re: More Scientists Urge Broad Inquiry into Coronavirus Origins

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Of course certain virologists would be eager to dismiss lab leak hypothesis. Just think about the implication of this hypothesis turns out to be true. Virologists have very strong conflict of interests. If these people have any integrity they'd refrain from commenting.

Lab leak does not necessarily imply the virus was engineered. Indeed there is reasonable evidence for the former and little, but not none, for the later.

There is evidence that some parts of the virus were engineered. See, for example, the Furin cleavage site.

Re: More Scientists Urge Broad Inquiry into Coronavirus Origins

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You only need a handful of people working on this to have knowledge of it. The PRC is really good at locking up people to keep them quiet.

I'm not sure I follow the logic. If China is so good at keeping people quiet, how do you know? Sounds to me that for us to know they have to be less than good at it?

I'm sorry but I really cannot see how everyone knowing (since we on HN knows it must be widespread) is China being good at keeping people quiet. Instead of downvoting how about explaining the logic?

Re: More Scientists Urge Broad Inquiry into Coronavirus Origins

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What i find weird is the extreme and very unscientific agression among certain virologist: "If you think SARS-CoV-2 was engineered in a lab, please unfollow me. " https://twitter.com/macroliter/status/1390720308265508871 Then you have other academics in the comments saying nothing is certain yet, and other prominents labs like Gupta Labs at Cambridge and Bloom Lab from Seattle saying there could be multiple explanati…

> What i find weird is the extreme and very unscientific agression among certain virologist: "If you think SARS-CoV-2 was engineered in a lab, please unfollow me. "

Take a similar situation, imagine you were a structural engineer a decade ago and you tweeted "If you think 9/11 was an inside job because jet fuel can't melt steel beams, please unfollow me" or an astronaut tweeting "if you think we didn't land on the moon, please unfollow me" - whether the particular issue they've mentioned is true or false doesn't actually matter. They're trying to avoid the confrontationalists/conspiracy theorists following them/replying to their tweets. They're pretty much tweeting "don't @ me"

Re: More Scientists Urge Broad Inquiry into Coronavirus Origins

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Not surprising at all considering Wuhan Lab scientists admitted on video they were bitten by bats and they had lax to no safety standards. https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4102619 > A video released two years before the start of the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic shows Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) scientists being cavalier toward protective equipment and being bitten by bats that carry deadly viruses such as SA…

Unfortunately, there is a big gap between the viruses found in nature, and SARS-Cov-2 that bit humanity on the ass. We have not found an "evolutionary trail", so to speak between the two. You would think that if something evolves from A to B, that you'd find variants interpolating the two stages. In natural evolution, that's always the case. But in the case of SARS-Cov-2, this new virus magically appears in Wuhan.

Re: More Scientists Urge Broad Inquiry into Coronavirus Origins

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What i find weird is the extreme and very unscientific agression among certain virologist: "If you think SARS-CoV-2 was engineered in a lab, please unfollow me. " https://twitter.com/macroliter/status/1390720308265508871 Then you have other academics in the comments saying nothing is certain yet, and other prominents labs like Gupta Labs at Cambridge and Bloom Lab from Seattle saying there could be multiple explanati…

> What i find weird is the extreme and very unscientific agression among certain virologist: "If you think SARS-CoV-2 was engineered in a lab, please unfollow me. " Take a similar situation, imagine you were a structural engineer a decade ago and you tweeted "If you think 9/11 was an inside job because jet fuel can't melt steel beams, please unfollow me" or an astronaut tweeting "if you think we didn't land on the mo…

> an astronaut tweeting "if you think we didn't land on the moon, please unfollow me"

That's a pretty bad analogy. It's not like a lab leak is an extremely unlikely possibility at all.

You should rather check who is funding the people who are making certain statements like that. Follow the money trail.

Re: More Scientists Urge Broad Inquiry into Coronavirus Origins

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I'm convinced that it's a lab leak. I'm also convinced the slow reveal is a psyop and I don't disagree with it's objectives. The sudden revelation that China screwed up and lied to the world is too shocking for the vast majority of people. The global public's response would not be optimal. The slow reveal gives societies around the world time to adjust to the new reality. If we were all thrown into that reality overn…

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Re: More Scientists Urge Broad Inquiry into Coronavirus Origins

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I'm no virologist but of all the places on earth we are supposed to believe that, by cheer coincidence, the outbreak happened in that one city that happens to do research and have patents on lab-modified bat viruses and that it doesn't have anything to do with that lab. I mean: you seriously cannot make that up.

To be fair, the reason the lab is in that place is precisely because it's close to a place where zoonoses has occurred multiple times. Kind of like how we don't blame lighthouses for shipwrecks. That being said, from what I've read it appears that a lab escape is a very real possibility. Though I doubt that we'll ever find out

Nope, it's been debunked. The bats do not come from Wuhan at all.

Re: More Scientists Urge Broad Inquiry into Coronavirus Origins

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> What i find weird is the extreme and very unscientific agression among certain virologist Would be interesting to dig further into who is funding their research.

That sounds like the worst of the Internet in action. You disagree with someone's off-handed remark on social media, so you want to remove their funding source? I guess that's pretty popular, but I have to say I don't care for it. Many people are still in the bargaining stage of COVID response -- if we find that some person made this virus and released it into the wild, we just send them to prison and the problem goe…

> That sounds like the worst of the Internet in action. You disagree with someone's off-handed remark on social media, so you want to remove their funding source?

It's not about removing, it's about finding who they are speaking out for.

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