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Israel-Gaza: Why is the region blurry on Google Maps?

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Re: Israel-Gaza: Why is the region blurry on Google Maps?

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That's such trivialization of the word "apartheid", considering Gazans are under their own rule and that 20% of Israel are equal rights Arabs (something like 10% in France, for example). It has become a political term, but meaningless in practice.

Israeli here. I find the word apartheid pretty suitable to describe the situation of Palestinians living in the West Bank - no citizenship or voting right, many issues with land ownership, a majority controlled by a minority, etc etc.

Yes but this was referring to Gaza. Do you think that post disengagement Gazans live under "apartheid"? An Israeli can't even set foot there.

Re: Israel-Gaza: Why is the region blurry on Google Maps?

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israeli here. I find the word apartheid pretty suitable to describe the situation of Palestinians living in the West Bank - no citizenship or voting right, many issues with land ownership, a majority controlled by a minority, etc etc.

Yes but this was referring to Gaza. Do you think that post disengagement Gazans live under "apartheid"? An Israeli can't even set foot there.

> Do you think that post disengagement Gazans live under "apartheid"?

Yes bantustans were an important part of apartheid, and Gaza is a bantustan on steroids. Both South Africa and Israel disclaimed responsibility for their respective bantustans, but at least South Africa at least formally granted them independence and (unsuccessfully, to be sure) tried to get them international recognition and engagement.

Israel, while disclaiming responsibility, also takes active diplomatic steps to deny Palestinian territories recognition as independent and actively seeks to thwart any international engagement with them.

Re: Israel-Gaza: Why is the region blurry on Google Maps?

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israeli here. I find the word apartheid pretty suitable to describe the situation of Palestinians living in the West Bank - no citizenship or voting right, many issues with land ownership, a majority controlled by a minority, etc etc.

Yes but this was referring to Gaza. Do you think that post disengagement Gazans live under "apartheid"? An Israeli can't even set foot there.

The parent post didn't even mention Gaza (simply said "Israel is an apartheid state"), and you were the one who brought up lives of Israeli Arabs. For your question however, I don't think that apartheid is a suitable term to describe the terrible conditions Gazans are living in.

Re: Israel-Gaza: Why is the region blurry on Google Maps?

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Most of the article spends its time on the results. For people looking for the actual answer to the headline question:

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Until last year, the US government restricted the quality of satellite images that American companies were permitted to provide on a commercial basis.

The Kyl-Bingaman Amendment (KBA) had been introduced in 1997 to address Israeli security concerns.

Although the ruling only referred to Israel, it was also applied the restriction to images of the Palestinian territories.

The KBA limited image quality so that an object the size of a car was just about visible as a highly blurred image, but anything smaller would be very difficult to identify.

"We [Israel] would always prefer to be photographed at the lowest resolution possible", said Amnon Harari, head of space programmes at Israel's Defence Ministry last year, reported by Reuters.

"It's always preferable to be seen blurred, rather than precisely."

It's not uncommon that sites such as military bases have been blurred - but the KBA was the only case of such a wide area being subject to such a restriction.

However, once non-US providers, such as French company Airbus, were able to supply these images at a higher resolution, the US came under increasing pressure to end its restrictions.

In July 2020, the KBA was dropped, and now the US government allows American companies to provide far higher-quality images of the region (so that objects the size of a person can be readily picked out).

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i.e. it's only been legal for US companies to take higher-resolution imagery for under a year, and Israel is certainly not going to allow the aerial photography that gets really high-resolution imagery in developed countries. Presumably over the next few years there will be enough overflights by high-resolution satellites, and companies like Planet Labs will no longer be charging their new-imagery premiums.

Re: Israel-Gaza: Why is the region blurry on Google Maps?

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Most of the article spends its time on the results. For people looking for the actual answer to the headline question: ==================================================== Until last year, the US government restricted the quality of satellite images that American companies were permitted to provide on a commercial basis. The Kyl-Bingaman Amendment (KBA) had been introduced in 1997 to address Israeli security concerns…

I was surprised to read this. Surely many countries allied with the US would prefer more of the publicly-available satellite imagery of sensitive parts of their territory to be low-resolution, but the US government gave special treatment to Israel alone.

Re: Israel-Gaza: Why is the region blurry on Google Maps?

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Most of the article spends its time on the results. For people looking for the actual answer to the headline question: ==================================================== Until last year, the US government restricted the quality of satellite images that American companies were permitted to provide on a commercial basis. The Kyl-Bingaman Amendment (KBA) had been introduced in 1997 to address Israeli security concerns…

I was surprised to read this. Surely many countries allied with the US would prefer more of the publicly-available satellite imagery of sensitive parts of their territory to be low-resolution, but the US government gave special treatment to Israel alone.

Most countries only want this for specific places: https://fas.org/blogs/security/2018/12/widespread-blurring-o...

Letting Israel have something more extreme was a concession that cost the US very little, and came at a period of exceptionally good US-Israeli relations. Specifically, the US wanted to reward Israel for successive handovers of bits of the Territories to the Palestinian Authority, and staying out of the Gulf War.

Re: Israel-Gaza: Why is the region blurry on Google Maps?

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was surprised to read this. Surely many countries allied with the US would prefer more of the publicly-available satellite imagery of sensitive parts of their territory to be low-resolution, but the US government gave special treatment to Israel alone.

Most countries only want this for specific places: https://fas.org/blogs/security/2018/12/widespread-blurring-o... Letting Israel have something more extreme was a concession that cost the US very little, and came at a period of exceptionally good US-Israeli relations. Specifically, the US wanted to reward Israel for successive handovers of bits of the Territories to the Palestinian Authority, and staying out of the…

It seems to me like it infringes on the first amendment rights of anyone who wants to make and distribute such imagery, though I imagine a court has found otherwise at some point. Limits on freedom of expression are no small thing from my perspective.

Re: Israel-Gaza: Why is the region blurry on Google Maps?

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most countries only want this for specific places: https://fas.org/blogs/security/2018/12/widespread-blurring-o... Letting Israel have something more extreme was a concession that cost the US very little, and came at a period of exceptionally good US-Israeli relations. Specifically, the US wanted to reward Israel for successive handovers of bits of the Territories to the Palestinian Authority, and staying out of the…

It seems to me like it infringes on the first amendment rights of anyone who wants to make and distribute such imagery, though I imagine a court has found otherwise at some point. Limits on freedom of expression are no small thing from my perspective.

Space is... special. And national security is even more special. Regulating Earth observation is a standard bureaucratized function [1], and checks lots of boxes for getting leniency from the courts

[1] https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/CRSRA/

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