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Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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Aside from their hard work & valuing education, how did China rise up in modern times to get all of this social, economic, & technological power? Recent history has some interesting twists & they have had many helping hands.

An equally interesting question would be, why China and not India? Both countries have massive populations, became fully sovereign in the 1950s, and started with similar economic backgrounds.

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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And half of the country thinks the Mueller report showed Trump was undeniably guilty. The truth is in between.

See here's this guy proving me right. These nitpickers are extremely easy to fool into doing the work of propaganda.

"While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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See here's this guy proving me right. These nitpickers are extremely easy to fool into doing the work of propaganda.

Have you considered that « Russians did it » is by itself propaganda?

This is a stupid trap you're trying. See how they misdirect? I'm not saying d0mine is taking Russian money, I'm saying that the Russian money spent getting hooks into Trump leads inexorably to a bunch of chumps like d0mine trying to murk up the water in a shabby pretense of discourse.

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.

Chinese propaganda is the reason the US and all other countries adopted the lockdown despite there never being any precedent or literature prior to COV19. Chinese propaganda is also the reason why nobody knows about this. More power to them if the US and other western nations aren't able to deflect it.

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I wonder what the equivalent US spend (to influence China) is?

Does Hollywood count? (which is also receiving cash injections lately from foreign companies) It's probably asymmetric. A lot of US sources are simply blocked over there. Including major social networks.

> Does Hollywood count?

I don't see why it wouldn't at least to the degree that taxpayer money was used to fund particular efforts/messages.

All (nearly?) nation states do some version of this, probably mostly in some sort of predictable relationship to their international impact.

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.

What do you think are examples of Chinese propaganda? If it was good, I don't think we'd be able to tell.

Promotion of the world covid lockdowns. If you read the literature from the attorneys that have analyzed the timeline (Michael P Senger, Reiner Fuellmich et al), the idea of the lockdown came directly from western academics directly influenced by China.

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Authroian regime and homogenous population(Han). It's same model as Singapore, just at bigger level.

Is there actual evidence that a homogenous population results in better economic output? That sounds like literal fascist propaganda to me.

There is a correlation between homogenous population and growth but as it is complex subject there is no clear distinction

[1]https://www.researchgate.net/publication/314469686_Does_Ethn...

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.

IMO unreasonable expectation that PRC can out-propagandize US / west in their own territories which is not remotely feasible. This is on top of western MSM / softpower / propaganda apparatus already being much more developed and mutually reinforcing, with an entire ecosystem of NGOs and think tanks to launder opinion and set narrative. It's why PRC netizens and PRC western diaspora (well western diaspora from many global south countries) are frequently awestruck by how "brain washed" westerners can be despite having "free media" - US propaganda power is very sophisticated relative to the crudeness of GFW and PRC censorship.

There's also point that PRC's western propaganda has been mostly defensive, trying to explain PRC perspectives - Xi's "tell the China story well" and where most of the FARA spending goes. Whereas Kremlin is fine with going offensive by undermining US polity on domestic fractures because they know you can't counter-program against decades of western narrative that's ongoing. Exception is influencing diaspora populations, in which case both PRC and Russia are fairly successful. But broadly PRC has not heavily invested in attack yet.

And ultimately PRC global propaganda is not... terrible considering what survives the filter of western MSM, bad translations, exaggerations, omissions, outright fabrications etc. PRC still has more supporters for XinJiang being counter-terrorism than human rights abuse. Compared to global positions on US/Israel/Palestine. Or how polling still consistently conclude US is still viewed as biggest risk to democracy / stability. It took 10 years of pressure, sanctions and finally a pandemic for most of FVEYs to get on board of Huawei ban.

PRC will be wasting time refining defensive messages against the tide of western MSM. Better off going on offensive and weakening US society itself which compromise global alliances. There's zero amount of lobbying / propaganda PRC can do to affect US security planning, but it could absolutely compromise US systematically to undermine US credibility and shift global politics in way that favours PRC.

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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post #10

Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.

What do you think are examples of Chinese propaganda? If it was good, I don't think we'd be able to tell.

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