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Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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Post by courtf »

mssundaram wrote: post #34
dimitrios1 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out any thread on twitter from a respected medical researcher or scientist who provides any evidence that contradicts the prevailing "wet market" COVID origin theory.

I'm confused - are you saying it's propaganda to go against the wet market theory? Because the wet market theory is so childish - like saying the sun goes to sleep at night.

Propaganda doesn't necessarily always operate in the direction of the creators most obvious interests, there may be propaganda pushing multiple conflicting narratives all originating from the same source. Criticism of the wet market theory might be valid, but could very well be propaganda simply trying to muddy the waters.

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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Post by samspenc »

EvRev wrote: post #86

Anyone else noticing the YouTube showing a lot more Chinese propaganda videos? I find it funny, because are so bad. https://www.youtube.com/c/ChinaViewTV https://www.youtube.com/c/cgtn

I've noticed this as well. I suspect that my watching video news stories related to China (and international news) probably caused this, but I find it bizarre that Youtube correlated my interest in China (and international) news with any interest I would have in Chinese state-run media channels.

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Post by thehappypm »

dalbasal wrote: post #43
scarmig wrote: post #10

Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.

This is similar to the common sentiment people have about advertising: It's so stupid... never works on anyone I know. I don't know why companies waste their money. Meanwhile, advertising is an industry that rivals energy, shipping and such. If that's not markt proof of efficacy, IDK what is. From the advertiser side of the advertiser-consumer relationship, there's no doubt of efficacy. You open an online business. N…

Yep. I live right between a Home Depot and a Lowe's. I feel a better brand association with Home Depot. I couldn't really tell you why.

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Post by magicsmoke »

Miner49er wrote: post #62
max_hammer wrote: post #56

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Authroian regime and homogenous population(Han). It's same model as Singapore, just at bigger level.

Is there actual evidence that a homogenous population results in better economic output? That sounds like literal fascist propaganda to me.

China's population is not homogeneous, and neither is Singapore's. Singapore has large Indian and Malay ethnic populations, China's got dozens of ethnicities and the main Han ethnic group is really a mix of different cultural and ethnic groups where the best analogy is how "White" people in the US are treated as the same ethnic group despite originating from dozens of European countries.

No population is truly homogeneous. The trick is putting together the right social and economic incentives so you can brush over the ethnic differences. To get to a point where people think of ethnic differences as less dividing them into tribes in a battle royale where only one can survive, and more as different opinions on the best flavor of ice cream.

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Post by thehappypm »

gherkinnn wrote: post #68
Daishiman wrote: post #63

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Tourism has always been a way of propaganda. Look into what are sold as the most attractive places to visit in a country. See that those places always sell a narrative as to why they're important for the country and unique in the world. The US tourism industry basically sells NYC, Disney, Las Vegas and LA. NYC's best-known landmark? The Statue of Liberty, selling a narrative of a country of industrious immigrants. Di…

The US has few historical monuments. But it has national parks. There’s also only one Grand Canyon and only so many Death Valleys.

I'd argue there are many centuries-old historical monuments in the US, they're just primarily in one region, The Atlantic coast.

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Post by thehappypm »

Impassionata wrote: post #77
scarmig wrote: post #10

Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.

Half of the country thinks the Mueller report exonerated Trump. The body politic has become completely decoupled from reality. If it's that easy for Russians to influence our politics, why wouldn't the Chinese perceive that there is low-hanging fruit in running general disruption?

And half of the country thinks the Mueller report showed Trump was undeniably guilty. The truth is in between.

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Post by estaseuropano »

scarmig wrote: post #10

Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.

A. You only notice it when it is done badly, not when it works.

B. Repetition is everything. How many people watch RT and its wild mix of true stories (copy&pasted) and blatant propaganda and soak it up? Or vaccine conspiracies in mommy Facebook groups? Badly done propaganda repeated 1000x still works.

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Post by yongjik »

scarmig wrote: post #10

Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.

It's a classical (and, in this case, fortunate) case of wrong incentive structure. People who direct these propaganda campaigns are not rewarded by polling Americans for their perception of China. Presumably, they are rewarded by their superiors looking at beautifully curated Powerpoint slides.

You don't want to be the guy accused of using an expression that can be interpreted as China conceding $(some utterly inconsequential point). Guess how they will behave.

* That said, I'm sure some brilliant minds inside CCP already know this and are working on improving their methodology ...

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Post by thehappypm »

max_hammer wrote: post #56
briantakita wrote: post #44

Aside from their hard work & valuing education, how did China rise up in modern times to get all of this social, economic, & technological power? Recent history has some interesting twists & they have had many helping hands.

Authroian regime and homogenous population(Han). It's same model as Singapore, just at bigger level.

What are you talking about? Singapore is highly diverse.

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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Post by Impassionata »

thehappypm wrote: post #96
Impassionata wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half of the country thinks the Mueller report exonerated Trump. The body politic has become completely decoupled from reality. If it's that easy for Russians to influence our politics, why wouldn't the Chinese perceive that there is low-hanging fruit in running general disruption?

And half of the country thinks the Mueller report showed Trump was undeniably guilty. The truth is in between.

See here's this guy proving me right. These nitpickers are extremely easy to fool into doing the work of propaganda.
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