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Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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Aside from their hard work & valuing education, how did China rise up in modern times to get all of this social, economic, & technological power? Recent history has some interesting twists & they have had many helping hands.

Marxism-Leninism

Never works. :)

Read about "The Great Chinese Famine"

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

#62

Aside from their hard work & valuing education, how did China rise up in modern times to get all of this social, economic, & technological power? Recent history has some interesting twists & they have had many helping hands.

Authroian regime and homogenous population(Han). It's same model as Singapore, just at bigger level.

Is there actual evidence that a homogenous population results in better economic output? That sounds like literal fascist propaganda to me.

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.

What do you think are examples of Chinese propaganda? If it was good, I don't think we'd be able to tell.

Tourism has always been a way of propaganda.

Look into what are sold as the most attractive places to visit in a country. See that those places always sell a narrative as to why they're important for the country and unique in the world.

The US tourism industry basically sells NYC, Disney, Las Vegas and LA. NYC's best-known landmark? The Statue of Liberty, selling a narrative of a country of industrious immigrants. Disney? It's basically 50% of children's cultural consumption all around the world. Las Vegas, LA? Consumption and media.

For the record, the CIA used to sponsor a lot of artists and musicians around the world in the 70s as a way of promoting art the idea of the US a place of cultural and technological refinement, much in the same way that the soviets pretty much gave away math and engineering university books of the highest caliber.

What does the Chinese cultural industry sell? The Wall of China, properties associated with imperial dynasties, and more recently industry fairs.

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.

You're only noticing the obvious Chinese propaganda. They've probably got bot networks that are using AI to generate responses that you'd never distinguish as Chinese.

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indian propaganda is similar (I'm more familiar with it, being Indian). You can see the parallels in how both talk about their hated minorities (Uyghurs and Kashmiris/Muslims) My favorite was a recent Twitter account with a teenage profile picture, she/they pronouns, BLM, proud feminist, and TRUMP2020 all in the bio, and all it did was claim that Uyghurs are really being educated and that the decline in birth rates a…

Did you just compared treatment of Uyghurs in China with Kashmiri/Muslims in India ? Last I checked Indian govt is not holding minority in reeducation camps or removing every trace of cultural heritage.

One can note certain rhetorical similarities without holding that in every aspect China and India are doing the same thing.

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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~50M of PRC "FARA" influence are likely legal media campaigns - full page ads, sponsored editorials etc. This likely doesn't include social media influence campaigns run out of PRC proper like building up twitter presence over last couple years.

IMO Long over due and prudent asymmetric investment. PRC can't compete against US media/propaganda, but relatively easier to target divisive US polity as Russians pioneered. Reverse not so true, PRC GFW and crippling of western NGOs has dramatically limited western influence.

Also keep in mind US just passed bill to spend 300M annually on Countering Chinese Influence Fund, with addition 100M annually on USAGM / Radio Free Asia. Layer on FLG Media / Bannon & Guo and PRC has a long way to go.

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think are examples of Chinese propaganda? If it was good, I don't think we'd be able to tell.

Tourism has always been a way of propaganda. Look into what are sold as the most attractive places to visit in a country. See that those places always sell a narrative as to why they're important for the country and unique in the world. The US tourism industry basically sells NYC, Disney, Las Vegas and LA. NYC's best-known landmark? The Statue of Liberty, selling a narrative of a country of industrious immigrants. Di…

The US has few historical monuments.

But it has national parks. There’s also only one Grand Canyon and only so many Death Valleys.

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.

Maybe it's because people such as ourselves aren't the target of said propaganda. We're a small fraction of the population. Frankly, most people are content consuming drivel of all kinds, and propaganda may actually have an influence over them.

If that's the tactic, it's genius. Find the boundary where intellectuals dismiss the propaganda as ineffectual yet it still works on the 80% to some degree.

Re: China increases spending 500% to influence America

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Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.

What do you think are examples of Chinese propaganda? If it was good, I don't think we'd be able to tell.

>> What do you think are examples of Chinese propaganda?

How about cancel culture? It may have started in the US, but I'm sure they're happy to stoke the flames. Or what about the phenomenon a teenagers thinking they're transgender? Sure some people are, but among teenagers today it's becoming sort of a fad (cult even) and it's heavily promoted on TikTok and other social media. Anything to create sharp divides of is something they might promote even if they didn't start it, it doesn't have to be pro-China propaganda.

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