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How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS

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Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS

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Post by emteycz »

yaktubi wrote: post #176
zepto wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But, then why not just VNC into a beastmode machine on a netbook and compile remotely? After all, that’s what CI/CD pipeline is for. Is this how you work?

Well, actually I have a beastmode mobile workstation that gets maybe 3 hours of battery life on high intensity. And when the battery is depleted I find a table with an outlet and I plug it in. Everything in the machine can be upgraded/fixed so it should be good for a while. I’m not saying this to be snarky. I just want to emphasize that while M1 is great innovation, I put repairability/maintainability and longevity o…

Which 2021 laptop has replaceable CPU?

Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS

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Post by RankingMember »

thefourthchime wrote: post #310
kryps wrote: post #75

It does not just feel faster, in many cases it is faster. E.g. compiling Rust code is so much faster that it is not even funny. cargo install -f ripgrep takes 22 seconds on a Mac Book Air with M1, same on a hexacore 2020 Dell XPS 17 with 64GB RAM takes 34 seconds.

It's been amazing for me.... EXCEPT for when resuming from sleep, for some reason it would be very slow for a minute. I have since FIXED THIS! The solution is to just not let it sleep. I'm using Amphetamine and since then it has been amazingly fast all the time.

> I'm using Amphetamine and since then it has been amazingly fast all the time.

I think these app makers might need to start focus grouping some of these app names. Not only is it going to be harder to search for this app, but it'll inevitably also lead to some humorous misunderstandings.

Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS

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Post by buu700 »

simondotau wrote: post #152
artursapek wrote: post #125

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I switched away from Macs to Thinkpads when the butterfly keyboards came out. Just happily switched back to Macs and loving my M1 Air.

It’s amazing how much of a dumpster fire the butterfly keyboard was, but perhaps more bewilderingly how long they persisted with it. That keyboard might well have done more than any other product design decision in the last decade to push people away from the Mac platform.

If the M1 MBA (or early 2020 Intel MBA) didn't exist, when my 2013 MBP started dying last month I would have dropped Apple for an Ubuntu XPS.

I don't understand how a company of that size kept up a blunder of that magnitude for half a decade, but a half-broken keyboard with an entire missing row of keys was just a nonstarter.

Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS

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Post by microtonal »

hawski wrote: post #243
kryps wrote: post #75

It does not just feel faster, in many cases it is faster. E.g. compiling Rust code is so much faster that it is not even funny. cargo install -f ripgrep takes 22 seconds on a Mac Book Air with M1, same on a hexacore 2020 Dell XPS 17 with 64GB RAM takes 34 seconds.

And here I thought that having a desktop CPU like Ryzen 5 2400G with loads of RAM would take me somewhere. It took the machine around 71 seconds. EDIT: could you measure C compilation. For example: git clone --depth 1 --branch v5.12.4 "git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git" cd linux make defconfig time make -j$(getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN) For me it's slightly below 5 minutes.

It took the machine around 71 seconds.

Are you including download time? On my Ryzen 7 3700X, it's done in 17 seconds.

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Post by w0m »

spideymans wrote: post #291
supercheetah wrote: post #248

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For Dell, at least the business class desktops, they're trash, and are barely useable after 2-3 years and usually have some kind of problem long before that. I'm pretty sure Dell expects most businesses to buy new ones in that time frame.

I really want to like Dell's XPS line. I really do. But their technical support is atrocious. My XPS trackpad stopped working months after purchase, and getting them to repair it was an utter nightmare. Their tech support seemingly hasn't improved at all in the past decade (which is when I last vowed to never buy a Dell again due to their horrible tech support). They may fool me twice, but never again. (I do hear tha…

> and getting them to repair it was an utter nightmare

~8 years ago; within 48h of the laptop breaking - had a Dell repair tech sitting at my kitchen table replacing mainboard on an XPS laptop. Has turnaround when you have the proper support contracts gotten that much worse?

(admittedly, we did pay for the top support tier for a personal device as it was expensed for work. I wouldn't do anything else from any manufacturer though unless I had on-site tech support/replacement.)

Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS

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Post by w0m »

zepto wrote: post #174
yaktubi wrote: post #161

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I think these performance metrics are somewhat limited in their usefulness. A Ryzen workstation might not have the same single-core performance or energy efficiency—however, a ryzen workstation can have gobs of memory for massive data-intensive workloads for the same cost as a baseline M1 device. In addition: let’s talk upgradability or repairability. Oh wait, Apple doesn’t play that game. You’ll get more mileage on…

> But, then why not just VNC into a beastmode machine on a netbook and compile remotely? After all, that’s what CI/CD pipeline is for. Is this how you work?

That's 90% how I've worked in ~15 years as an SWE.

Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS

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Post by sleepybrett »

harikb wrote: post #167
yaktubi wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think these performance metrics are somewhat limited in their usefulness. A Ryzen workstation might not have the same single-core performance or energy efficiency—however, a ryzen workstation can have gobs of memory for massive data-intensive workloads for the same cost as a baseline M1 device. In addition: let’s talk upgradability or repairability. Oh wait, Apple doesn’t play that game. You’ll get more mileage on…

granted they charge exorbitant prices for their hardware, but I can’t believe how my 2010 MacBook Pro is still functioning perfectly fine.. except for them making it unsupported. I can’t say that about any other pc/laptop I have had. Not even desktops

I just had storage fail on my first gen touchbar macbook. It's a PITA, the storage is soldered onto a board. They replace the board, the can't recover the data (didn't expect them to). I'd pay the extra mm or two it would require them to just use a standard like m2. SSD storage just fails after awhile, especially if you do lots of things that thrash the disk.

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Post by totalZero »

artursapek wrote: post #244
simondotau wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s amazing how much of a dumpster fire the butterfly keyboard was, but perhaps more bewilderingly how long they persisted with it. That keyboard might well have done more than any other product design decision in the last decade to push people away from the Mac platform.

I think it did, and the touch bar was a close second. Thankfully, whoever was in charge of those decisions seems to have lost decision-making power and Apple has walked back both.

> whoever was in charge of those decisions seems to have lost decision-making power

I guess we're both speculating here, but even if the same people were in charge, I think they breathed a sigh of relief when they realized that the personal computing segment had spiced up again. From about 2014 to 2019, Mac revenue basically plateaued in line with the entire laptop market. People were crazy about phones but laptops had hit a wall.

When you have to sell laptops to people whose yesteryear laptops do everything they need, you start adding random bullshit to the product because you have to capture the market's attention somehow. I think this is how we ended up with the touch bar. It's a step backward, but it's flashy and made the product look fresh(er) despite the form factor being identical to what they were selling in 2013.

Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS

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Post by whatever1 »

celsoazevedo wrote: post #290
whatever1 wrote: post #4

Launching apps takes ages on M1 mini. Reminded me of the good Windows Phone times.

Can it be related to this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23273247

That was my first Mac, so maybe it is a MacOS issue not M1.

I just described my bad experience with M1 with Big Sur. Not sure who is to blame.

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