All this reminds me of when the HP PA machines were first introduced. Loads of posts about how compilation was now so fast that the screen turned red due to time dilation, etc. Of course now nobody remembers PA.
How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS
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Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, they did it first in iOS which is more responsive than Android even when compared to devices that win benchmarks vs the iPhone. It's just doable when you care enough to optimize the OS for responsiveness.
Much like the M1, I don't think anything actually wins benchmarks vs the iPhone. There's display refresh rate and a few multicore stores that are closer but in any real world test, Single core dominance wins out. (Plus the big/little design in the A series chips is better than the three scales seen in QC chips as QC backfills the single large core with a ton of little cores to make the multicore numbers look competit…
Are you sure? iOS has been more responsive from day 1 (I mean the first 2-3 iphone versions), when they were using an off the shelf CPU that everyone else had.
Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think these performance metrics are somewhat limited in their usefulness. A Ryzen workstation might not have the same single-core performance or energy efficiency—however, a ryzen workstation can have gobs of memory for massive data-intensive workloads for the same cost as a baseline M1 device. In addition: let’s talk upgradability or repairability. Oh wait, Apple doesn’t play that game. You’ll get more mileage on…
granted they charge exorbitant prices for their hardware, but I can’t believe how my 2010 MacBook Pro is still functioning perfectly fine.. except for them making it unsupported. I can’t say that about any other pc/laptop I have had. Not even desktops
My "writing desk" PC is a Thinkpad X201 tablet from 2010, with the same SSD upgrade I put in my own 2010 Macbook Pro (a dedicated Logic Pro machine these days). There have always been manufacturers for whom that's the case on the PC side of things--you just kinda had to pay for it up front.
Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did a side-by-side comparing with my friends' M1 macbook and my (more expensive, nearly brand new) ryzen 5800x workstation compiling rust. The ryzen was faster - but it was really close. And the macbook beats my ryzen chip in single threaded performance. For reference, the ryzen compiles ripgrep in 19.7 seconds. The comparison is way too close given the ryzen workstation guzzles power, and the macbook is cheaper, p…
I think these performance metrics are somewhat limited in their usefulness. A Ryzen workstation might not have the same single-core performance or energy efficiency—however, a ryzen workstation can have gobs of memory for massive data-intensive workloads for the same cost as a baseline M1 device. In addition: let’s talk upgradability or repairability. Oh wait, Apple doesn’t play that game. You’ll get more mileage on…
> But, then why not just VNC into a beastmode machine on a netbook and compile remotely? After all, that’s what CI/CD pipeline is for.
Is this how you work?
Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did a side-by-side comparing with my friends' M1 macbook and my (more expensive, nearly brand new) ryzen 5800x workstation compiling rust. The ryzen was faster - but it was really close. And the macbook beats my ryzen chip in single threaded performance. For reference, the ryzen compiles ripgrep in 19.7 seconds. The comparison is way too close given the ryzen workstation guzzles power, and the macbook is cheaper, p…
I've done a side by side with my Ryzen 3700x compiling a Go project. 6 seconds on the Ryzen, vs 9 seconds on the M1 air. `time go build -a`, so not very scientific. Could be attributed to the multicore performance of the Ryzen. Starting applications on the M1 seems to have significant delays too, but I'm not sure if that's a Mac OSX thing. Overall it's very impressive, I just don't see the same lunch eating performan…
I’d like to point out that compiling stuff is usually disk/io intensive. Could this not just be that the Apple machine has a faster hard drive/memory?
Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think these performance metrics are somewhat limited in their usefulness. A Ryzen workstation might not have the same single-core performance or energy efficiency—however, a ryzen workstation can have gobs of memory for massive data-intensive workloads for the same cost as a baseline M1 device. In addition: let’s talk upgradability or repairability. Oh wait, Apple doesn’t play that game. You’ll get more mileage on…
> But, then why not just VNC into a beastmode machine on a netbook and compile remotely? After all, that’s what CI/CD pipeline is for. Is this how you work?
Well, actually I have a beastmode mobile workstation that gets maybe 3 hours of battery life on high intensity. And when the battery is depleted I find a table with an outlet and I plug it in.
Everything in the machine can be upgraded/fixed so it should be good for a while.
I’m not saying this to be snarky. I just want to emphasize that while M1 is great innovation, I put repairability/maintainability and longevity on a higher pedestal than other things. I also highly value many things a computer has to offer: disk, memory, CPU, GPU, etc. I want to be able to interchange those pieces; and I want to have a lot of each category at my disposal. Given this, battery life is not as important as the potential functionality a given machine can provide.
Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS
#177It does not just feel faster, in many cases it is faster. E.g. compiling Rust code is so much faster that it is not even funny. cargo install -f ripgrep takes 22 seconds on a Mac Book Air with M1, same on a hexacore 2020 Dell XPS 17 with 64GB RAM takes 34 seconds.
I just did a test on my old Lenovo laptop... Intel i7-8565U CPU @ 1.80GHz # git clone https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep && cd ripgrep # cargo clean # time cargo build real 0m23,805s user 1m11,260s sys 0m3,806s How is my crappy laptop on par with your M1? :)
You are not doing a release build.
Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS
#178"Because Macs with Intel processors can’t segregate their tasks onto different cores in the same way, when macOS starts to choke on something it affects user processes too."
Why is this? I understand that Intel chips don't use BIG/little but couldn't you assign all OS/background tasks to one core and leave the other cores for user tasks? Shouldn't the scheduler be able to do this?
Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS
#179It does not just feel faster, in many cases it is faster. E.g. compiling Rust code is so much faster that it is not even funny. cargo install -f ripgrep takes 22 seconds on a Mac Book Air with M1, same on a hexacore 2020 Dell XPS 17 with 64GB RAM takes 34 seconds.
I did a side-by-side comparing with my friends' M1 macbook and my (more expensive, nearly brand new) ryzen 5800x workstation compiling rust. The ryzen was faster - but it was really close. And the macbook beats my ryzen chip in single threaded performance. For reference, the ryzen compiles ripgrep in 19.7 seconds. The comparison is way too close given the ryzen workstation guzzles power, and the macbook is cheaper, p…
I dunnoh... the Ryzen 5800x laptops seem to be able to stay ahead of the M1's for most tasks.
Re: How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did a side-by-side comparing with my friends' M1 macbook and my (more expensive, nearly brand new) ryzen 5800x workstation compiling rust. The ryzen was faster - but it was really close. And the macbook beats my ryzen chip in single threaded performance. For reference, the ryzen compiles ripgrep in 19.7 seconds. The comparison is way too close given the ryzen workstation guzzles power, and the macbook is cheaper, p…
I've done a side by side with my Ryzen 3700x compiling a Go project. 6 seconds on the Ryzen, vs 9 seconds on the M1 air. `time go build -a`, so not very scientific. Could be attributed to the multicore performance of the Ryzen. Starting applications on the M1 seems to have significant delays too, but I'm not sure if that's a Mac OSX thing. Overall it's very impressive, I just don't see the same lunch eating performan…
> Starting applications on the M1 seems to have significant delays too, but I'm not sure if that's a Mac OSX thing.
That's a Mac OSX thing. It's verifying the apps.
https://appletoolbox.com/why-is-macos-catalina-verifying-app...