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Way to Deal with a Micromanaging Boss

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Re: Way to Deal with a Micromanaging Boss

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This hits home. I recently quit a job (~2 months ago) that was exactly the situation described. I had never encountered micromanagement to that degree before and was initially, naively, willing to accept my boss's criticism as "learnings" for myself. He was of course totally unavailable until ~6PM, after which he would dive into the weeds on my work product for the day. "This chart's axis aren't clear enough". "Line colors are too similar". "Please justify why you made XYZ technical decision this week". Sometimes I would be working until 10PM responding to his questions.

Eventually it really started to take a toll on my self-confidence. I started feeling like I didn't know what I was doing, questioning if I was cut out for the company. Just as OP states, I woke up every day in a TERRIBLE mood. I stopped caring about the quality of any first-pass work product. Why bother, when he's going to find something to critique anyway? Ironically his micromanagement made my work quality go way down.

Anyway, I quit with nothing else lined up (and am still looking for work, if you need a data scientist :)). But I don't regret it at all, if only for my mental health's sake. I STILL feel like I somehow did something wrong in the situation even though looking back on it, he was clearly just an asshole (and many current and former coworkers came out of the woodwork to agree when I made my quitting public knowledge).

Re: Way to Deal with a Micromanaging Boss

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Ok, I am going to be brutally honest here. Some may not like it. Micromanaging is complicated. When I was in a leadership position I was the happiest boss when I could let people just do their thing and come back with great results and we'd be all happy. And that's how I loved working with my bosses before as well. But then again, I had some employees I had to micromanage. I really, really abhorred it. But there was…

Some people are not self-driven but can still do good work if subjected to stronger authority. It's ultimately a business decision as to whether it's worth providing that kind of authority. But note that to the extent that someone suffers from ADHD and just needs a stronger hand from their manager as an accommodation in order to be productive, you might be legally required to give it to them.

I believe what you're saying amounts of effective leadership.

I feel there's a very LARGE and DISTINCT difference between effective management and micromanagement. The article's points show that when dealing with a micromanager, you're dealing with a narcissist. Nothing the employee does is right; the manager's path forward is likely not even possible; and, most importantly, only the manager feels they themselves can do it correctly.

When a team is underperforming, there are ways to help out which do not amount to nitpicks and providing poor direction. Offering very direct support and feedback is NOT micromanagement.

Re: Way to Deal with a Micromanaging Boss

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I’m probably the exception, but I’m actually glad my relaxed/lazy boss was replaced by a micromanager early on in my career. All of my positions up until I was 22 had busy work deadlines-don’t-matter type cultures and made me an extremely lazy person. My micromanaging boss came in, lit a fire under my ass and made me realize that’s not how the real world works. I hated it at the time, but now in my 30s I realized it was probably the best thing for me.

That being said I was a poor performer, and most people probably don’t think of themselves as poor performers.

Re: Way to Deal with a Micromanaging Boss

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Ok, I am going to be brutally honest here. Some may not like it. Micromanaging is complicated. When I was in a leadership position I was the happiest boss when I could let people just do their thing and come back with great results and we'd be all happy. And that's how I loved working with my bosses before as well. But then again, I had some employees I had to micromanage. I really, really abhorred it. But there was…

> I was the happiest boss when I could let people just do their thing and come back with great results This is decentralized command, and really the best place to be. That's why I believe being a leader in software dev. is really about serving the ppl under you - not the opposite. I think it's about balance: I will micromanage new hires initially, so that I can ensure they are sticking to SOPs, code standards etc. an…

Do you find you get a lot of negative feedback or churn during that period? Seems like it would be an awful first impression, but maybe not if you communicate things well.

Re: Way to Deal with a Micromanaging Boss

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Ok, I am going to be brutally honest here. Some may not like it. Micromanaging is complicated. When I was in a leadership position I was the happiest boss when I could let people just do their thing and come back with great results and we'd be all happy. And that's how I loved working with my bosses before as well. But then again, I had some employees I had to micromanage. I really, really abhorred it. But there was…

> I was the happiest boss when I could let people just do their thing and come back with great results This is decentralized command, and really the best place to be. That's why I believe being a leader in software dev. is really about serving the ppl under you - not the opposite. I think it's about balance: I will micromanage new hires initially, so that I can ensure they are sticking to SOPs, code standards etc. an…

This is the same way I treat PhD students. A lot of micromanagement early on, and then I progressively try to step back. That said, it is always a big concern if they stumble for a considerable amount of time (a year) or are not capable of being independent as they approach graduation, even if they can deliver very effectively when being micromanaged.

Re: Way to Deal with a Micromanaging Boss

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> My life is too short to put up with being treated like a slave. > logicslave 2 minutes ago That made me chuckle. On a serious note though, why not start by talking about it first? Why not say what you're experiencing, how it makes you feel, and see how your manager responds? Unless you work in total isolation, which few of us do, we have to get along with other people. And talking about things usually is the way to…

That may work sometimes, but most of the time you're going to run into one of two problems, and possibly both at the same time: 1) Micromanaging is often co-morbid with other bad-boss habits. These may make attempts at "managing" your boss toward improvement unrealistic and even highly ill-advised. 2) If your boss is micromanaging you, this is a strong signal that their opinion of you is already somewhere around the…

This is all assuming all kinds of things that may or may not be true. Until you can read people's minds, validate your assumptions by communicating with people. The same argument you made can be made the other way. Maybe it's just a matter of reporting what you did, updating tickets. Maybe your manager thinks you like the attention. Maybe maybe maybe. Just talk to each other!

Re: Way to Deal with a Micromanaging Boss

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I think the book is called "Turn the Ship Around"

I was only familiar with "Turn the Ship Around", so I just looked it up. Apparently there are 2 books on this topic from different captains. "It's Your Ship", Captain D. Michael Abrashoff "Turn the Ship Around", (Captain) L. David Marquet I'd actually be curious how much the advice overlaps.

Side note: Turn the Ship Around is about a submarine and It's Your Ship is about a surface vessel.

Re: Way to Deal with a Micromanaging Boss

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Ok, I am going to be brutally honest here. Some may not like it. Micromanaging is complicated. When I was in a leadership position I was the happiest boss when I could let people just do their thing and come back with great results and we'd be all happy. And that's how I loved working with my bosses before as well. But then again, I had some employees I had to micromanage. I really, really abhorred it. But there was…

> But before you fire people, you have to invest to be absolutely sure you're doing the right thing. It's the right thing to fire them. For you and for them. Wrong match, end of story. Could be they lack experience or something else, but it might just as well be you lacking clear goals etc. Either way, wrong match, end of story.

FYI - The official line for several FAANG’s is that the week/day level of micromanagement done as part of typical performance management for underperformers is referred to as investment. And it kinda is - about 25% of the people I’ve had to do it for did well (4 if I remember correctly). Another 25% needed a clear ‘you need to improve or you’re out’ message that merely saying it to them did not provide. They needed the paperwork. They reset and got their act together right away, and the ‘micromanagement’ consisted of checking in with them for a few weeks or a month until it was clear that their trajectory was changed. Roughly another 25% had mis-fitting roles or expectations (one was a CS major, and despite interviewing for and taking a coding job, realized they hated coding about 2 kmonths in).

The remaining 25% approx. fought the whole way, refused to take any ownership of their issues, and were a huge relief for the team when they were gone - and in the environment I dealt with most of these cases? It was incredibly, incredibly hard to get rid of them. 3+ months of constant work, mandatory weekly check-ins and micromanagement, you name it.

I don’t like firing people, but I hate toxic team environments, and recognize it helps no one for someone to stay in a culture/org/team that clearly doesn’t work. I personally always put the work in, because I knew how important it was. I’ve seen many managers not do that.

I agree with you that it’s better to fire a not fit. I’ve also seen many (50%ish) turn it around after or shortly after other companies would have summarily fired them.

Big Corp, especially big tech Corp, has a giant target on it’s back and is very risk adverse to firing (justifiably so) in many cases, even if it hurts the team or the individual.

Re: Way to Deal with a Micromanaging Boss

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The way I deal with it is by leaving the team immediately. My life is too short to put up with being treated like a slave. I am too good at programming.

> My life is too short to put up with being treated like a slave. > logicslave 2 minutes ago That made me chuckle. On a serious note though, why not start by talking about it first? Why not say what you're experiencing, how it makes you feel, and see how your manager responds? Unless you work in total isolation, which few of us do, we have to get along with other people. And talking about things usually is the way to…

My first job out of college, I had a manager sit behind me for 8 hours a day with the ol' "move that one pixel to the left, no, 2 pixels to the right.. no back again" after I had impressed the customer with some fast results.

I coped with it for a few days before telling him I needed to talk about his management style.

He agreed, and we went out into the atrium. There, he told me I just needed to shut up and do what I was told.

I think it's important to have an intuition for why you are being micromanaged. Sometimes it's because you're missing processes and procedures, sometimes it's because you intimidate your superior.

I imagine the former should feel like it has an obvious expiration date, where you learn the CI/CD workflow or whatever.

The latter feels sinister and crazy.

Re: Way to Deal with a Micromanaging Boss

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Ok, I am going to be brutally honest here. Some may not like it. Micromanaging is complicated. When I was in a leadership position I was the happiest boss when I could let people just do their thing and come back with great results and we'd be all happy. And that's how I loved working with my bosses before as well. But then again, I had some employees I had to micromanage. I really, really abhorred it. But there was…

On the other hand, I have been in positions where I and the team delivered spectacular results year after year, and I am not micro-managed, and then my excellent boss leaves for greener pastures, and suddenly a new much worse boss comes in and begins micromanaging me. Fellow workers, the boss and management is not looking out for your interest, the default is they're looking out for their interest. Your best hope is…

> Your best hope is once in a while to find a "good" boss who is not 100% on board with the investors and is willing to split the difference.

Investors care about results; they don't care about the style middle management uses. This is a false dichotomy.

If the company is focused on short-term wins to the detriment of long-term viability, that's a separate issue (and really has nothing to do with management style).

> ..then my excellent boss leaves for greener pastures, and suddenly a new much worse boss comes in and begins micromanaging...

> ..then the boss is who needs to be questioned

If this means results suffer (probably), then it's pretty obvious the cause in this case, right?

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