Some of the happiest people I've met are working girls. Usually they do one shift every few days and they are happy as hell.
Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Generally, HN people are more educated and better trained in logical thinking The main effect this has is that HN people have an overinflated sense of their own competence, and are more blind to their own ignorance.
I do not disagree, and I hoped it was already visible from my initial comment. But, on average, you probably still get better results from HN crowd than from other crowds, in matters that require knowledge and logical thinking. Do you disagree?
The problem is that “other crowds” is an amorphous and meaningless concept. In one context “other crowds” means the US/EU population as a whole, in which case sure, HN readers are on average probably more educated and better-informed. But in another context “other crowds” might mean “experts in the humanities and social sciences,” compared to which the average HN reader is hopelessly ignorant unless the question is specifically about programming. And indeed it is the humanities and social sciences where HN’s blindness and ignorance is most obvious, and its arrogance most undeserved.
Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack
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It seem so, lets see if that study is confirmed. We can't believe anything COVID related that has not been reproduced independently many times by independent groups, there is too much fear and convictions.
Read the link. There have been numerous studies. > Over the ensuing months, numerous research groups published studies that refuted the early concerns and provided reassuring evidence that SARS-CoV-2 had no extra toxicity to the heart
I did read it. We need to wait and see if their meta-study approach is sound and didnt introduce bias. And from what I understand they didnt study a lot of the people that got really bad covid.
Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do not disagree, and I hoped it was already visible from my initial comment. But, on average, you probably still get better results from HN crowd than from other crowds, in matters that require knowledge and logical thinking. Do you disagree?
Absolutely disagree. I think HN is massively blind to its own biases, and makes the wrong calls very often as a result.
Ok, I can accept that as a possibility.
But here's a curiosity: why are you here, then? What do you derive from reading all the comments from people that are by default wrong? Isn't it a massive waste of your time to read large number of comments, just to occasionally find one that you agree with as being correct?
Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack
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That's how you get conversations, and eventually progress. To me, that's the attraction of public forums like HN: people (including myself) make assumptions, and conversation often (or sometimes?) leads to corrections. If we'd all be working with perfectly correct assumptions, we would not need forums anymore. We'd just be fed information, process it in exactly the same way and reach the exact same conclusions. In my…
What it primary does instead is to disseminate feel good assumptions. Because the people don't state them as assumptions, they claim them to be facts. The conversation does not lead to corrections often enough in programming and business unrelated topics. That is fairly normal, group of people talking about something they dont know much about is not supposed to randomly pivot to correct conclusions. But, HN is unique…
I take it you are also uniquely convinced that you are superior in this regard, then. :)
But here's an honest question: why are you on HN, then? Sure, it's a decent source of tech&related news. But there's no reason for you to spend time reading and writing comments, if you truly believe it's as bad as you say.
Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack
#126I would differentiate between “working” and “sitting in the office”. My grandfather was a passionate carpenter. His workweek was always at least 60 hours. Sourcing wood, visiting clients, organizing everything, etc. He was in good shape and died at 92 years age. Being forced to sit in the office 45 hours a week I don’t think that I reach age above 60 years. This sitting whole day in the noisy environment was destroyi…
I have a few anecdotes like that: - 39h/week at a truck dismantling warehouse (very heavy duty stuff) I was fresh like a dolphin (was doing pushups during pauses to get ready for the next shift, pretty telling), had to leave after harassment, missed that job a lot. - part time gig as morning newspaper delivery, couldn't be easier on paper.. couldn't last more than 2 months due to very peculiar stress that driving and…
If you are paid for it, it's a job.
Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack
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Not just that but watching TV. TV is the worst thing you can do, worse than anything for your obesity situation. The BBC can't tell you that though.
Cannot imagine how much TV someone with a 70h+ work week can cram into their life and still find it worth living.
I have worked 70+ hour weeks in factory shifts, not having days off in order to build them up for a 4 day mini holiday. I had to cook as soon as I got home or else I would fall asleep to wake up at 4 am fully clothed with a cup of tea in my hand unspilled!
Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack
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Ah yes, the good old "my anecdote trumps science" post on Hacker News. If this happens on Hacker News, no wonder the rest of the world is even worse. "Two systematic reviews and meta-analyses of the latest evidence were conducted for this study. Data from 37 studies on ischemic heart disease covering more than 768 000 participants and 22 studies on stroke covering more than 839 000 participants were synthesized. The…
I think you’re confusing the map for the territory. The study pooled all workers together, but that doesn’t invalidate the hypothesis that certain types of workers were more affected. Unless the study explicitly broke out the purported subdivision, we can’t say for sure. For example imagine 50% of workers are office workers. And say heart attack risk is twice as high for overworked office workers but 10% less for non…
The parent comment shoots from the hip, though. He has one anecdotal case of a more active career living to 92, then he postulates his inactive career will lead him to an extremely early death (60 is young in modern economies). That's just not the depth of discussion HN is designed for, does this ignite curiosity or push the discussion further?
Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack
#129I would differentiate between “working” and “sitting in the office”. My grandfather was a passionate carpenter. His workweek was always at least 60 hours. Sourcing wood, visiting clients, organizing everything, etc. He was in good shape and died at 92 years age. Being forced to sit in the office 45 hours a week I don’t think that I reach age above 60 years. This sitting whole day in the noisy environment was destroyi…
My grandfather was a carpenter. Died at a good old age... with missing fingers, arthritis, back problems. I fucked my knees working in construction, actually every single person I know in that line of work has health problems. Wear and tear is just part of existence, at least an office job gives you the choice to keep physically healthy without overusing your body. Tbf, it's possible to do it in a trade, too, but it'…
Well and for most people its harder to drag themselves to a work site or even an office and do something physical than it is to drag themselves to a desk and move their fingers a bit.
Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack
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Absolutely disagree. I think HN is massively blind to its own biases, and makes the wrong calls very often as a result.
Ok, I can accept that as a possibility. But here's a curiosity: why are you here, then? What do you derive from reading all the comments from people that are by default wrong? Isn't it a massive waste of your time to read large number of comments, just to occasionally find one that you agree with as being correct?
I am here to get thoughts on tech, tech news, and tech related things. I am outside of that world, and want to get an insider's perspective on my own views.
When it comes to education (my field), HN is generally very, very similar to any other large online group such as facebook or reddit - the biases and areas of ignorance are the same.
So, in other words, I come here to read and learn about the things this site should know about - technology and related fields. Whereas comment sections such as this one, I consume much the same as 'opinion articles'.