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Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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Post by mrfusion »

synaesthesisx wrote: post #29
meheleventyone wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, the heart attack itself was caused by a thrombosis that fully blocked the left coronary artery. It actually came on whilst I was doing my morning swim. Results wise I got lucky and got fixed with a stent early enough that there doesn’t seem to be any (noticeable) damage to the heart. Right now the doctors don’t know precisely why I got this clot. Other than having it I’m in good health with no signs of chronic…

Is there any chance you were exposed to COVID at any point? I know there’s an association between COVID-19 and clotting events (even for otherwise asymptomatic individuals)!

The heart damage stories have been debunked* (but don’t expect the media to cover that)

* https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-strai...

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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Post by user-the-name »

drclau wrote: post #64
watwut wrote: post #57

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> If this happens on Hacker News, no wonder the rest of the world is even worse. Is there any reason to assume HN should be better then anyone else?

Generally, HN people are more educated and better trained in logical thinking (most being engineers of some sort or in other professions that require a bit more thinking). Hence, the GP's expectation, I assume. However, this is just my impression from reading comments here for a few years. I may as well be wrong. Smart people do have their own blindspots, too. Edit: I noticed you were downvoted, and I disagree with t…

> Generally, HN people are more educated and better trained in logical thinking

The main effect this has is that HN people have an overinflated sense of their own competence, and are more blind to their own ignorance.

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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Post by jliptzin »

CodeGlitch wrote: post #88
6ue7nNMEEbHcM wrote: post #82

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I don't know how people do this. I can't even work on the balcony, because it's either too bright, too hot, too cold or too loud. And it's in moderate climate.

Also not sitting at a proper desk with a full size keyboard, mouse and monitor will cause you all sorts of back/neck/arm/hand pain. There's no such thing as sitting on a beach with a laptop coding. You can only do that for a few days at a time. People who say otherwise are lying.

A few days? I wouldn’t be able to do it for 1 hour probably

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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Post by kleiba »

away314159265 wrote: post #63

We are living in a culture of overwork because work (esp. desk work) has lost all boundaries. I'm in academia and had been idealizing overwork for quite a while ("the noble goal of devoting your life to science!"), but now have to fend off becoming cynical about the culture (increasingly after a parent with a blue collar-company died shortly before their well-earned retirement, stress played a role here). I have met…

I agree with the overall sentiment of your post, but not with: Academically, these are often quite successful people whose ideas and scientific results are admired. I find that putting in the hours is nothing that necessarily moves you ahead academically - since the competition is so high, it is simply a necessity to stay in the game.

I've been in C.S.-ish research for well over 20 years, and really the only reason to do it is because you love it. Otherwise, for the amount of work you need to put in to stay relevant, you might as well find a job in the industry where the pay is much higher given your qualification. Depending on which country you are in, you may not have much of a career perspective either, as tenured positions are rare, and to a good degree come down to luck. Not only luck, of course, but there are a lot of factors that you cannot influence (enough).

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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Post by cies »

Theodores wrote: post #67
cies wrote: post #34

I see a lot of people doing over time also eating a lot of delivery food. Usually working a lot is a great excuse for eating rubbish.

Not just that but watching TV. TV is the worst thing you can do, worse than anything for your obesity situation. The BBC can't tell you that though.

Cannot imagine how much TV someone with a 70h+ work week can cram into their life and still find it worth living.

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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Post by drclau »

user-the-name wrote: post #92
drclau wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally, HN people are more educated and better trained in logical thinking (most being engineers of some sort or in other professions that require a bit more thinking). Hence, the GP's expectation, I assume. However, this is just my impression from reading comments here for a few years. I may as well be wrong. Smart people do have their own blindspots, too. Edit: I noticed you were downvoted, and I disagree with t…

> Generally, HN people are more educated and better trained in logical thinking The main effect this has is that HN people have an overinflated sense of their own competence, and are more blind to their own ignorance.

I do not disagree, and I hoped it was already visible from my initial comment. But, on average, you probably still get better results from HN crowd than from other crowds, in matters that require knowledge and logical thinking. Do you disagree?

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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Post by drclau »

watwut wrote: post #70
drclau wrote: post #64

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Generally, HN people are more educated and better trained in logical thinking (most being engineers of some sort or in other professions that require a bit more thinking). Hence, the GP's expectation, I assume. However, this is just my impression from reading comments here for a few years. I may as well be wrong. Smart people do have their own blindspots, too. Edit: I noticed you were downvoted, and I disagree with t…

Whether logical thinking gets you to correct result strongly depends on assumptions you make and model you apply the logical thinking on. And my impression is that HN is not really good at those. It also starts to fail when the assumptions are only sorta kinda true, with many asterixis, because logical implications then treat them as true. Very very often, people start with very wild assumptions and then make wild im…

That's how you get conversations, and eventually progress. To me, that's the attraction of public forums like HN: people (including myself) make assumptions, and conversation often (or sometimes?) leads to corrections. If we'd all be working with perfectly correct assumptions, we would not need forums anymore. We'd just be fed information, process it in exactly the same way and reach the exact same conclusions. In my experience, this is not really possible with humans.

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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Post by [deleted] »

bottled_poe wrote: post #65
watwut wrote: post #57

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> If this happens on Hacker News, no wonder the rest of the world is even worse. Is there any reason to assume HN should be better then anyone else?

Well yes. They most certainly have a higher rate of tertiary education (and thus exposure to scientific method) than the general population.

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