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Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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The Japanese even have a word for it: Karoshi. > which can be translated literally as "overwork death", […] The most common medical causes of karoshi deaths are heart attacks or strokes due to stress and a starvation diet. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi

Chinese too: 過勞死 / 过劳死. It's the exact same Kanji combination for Karoshi.

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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post #72

My well-being, expectedly, increased when I stopped caring more about my projects than my clients did. What I was not expecting is that my quality of work remained constant or even improved while I was working fewer hours a day.

Thank you for saying this. I've often suspected that my work would improve if I cared less.

Caring too much leads to overwork (sapping your ability to do good work in the long term) and/or analysis paralysis.

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post #107

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The heart damage stories have been debunked* (but don’t expect the media to cover that) * https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-strai...

It seem so, lets see if that study is confirmed. We can't believe anything COVID related that has not been reproduced independently many times by independent groups, there is too much fear and convictions.

Read the link. There have been numerous studies.

> Over the ensuing months, numerous research groups published studies that refuted the early concerns and provided reassuring evidence that SARS-CoV-2 had no extra toxicity to the heart

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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Not just that but watching TV. TV is the worst thing you can do, worse than anything for your obesity situation. The BBC can't tell you that though.

Cannot imagine how much TV someone with a 70h+ work week can cram into their life and still find it worth living.

I know people working next to a TV. So they do both, dilute their brain and they won't believe me when I tell them that they are less efficient so have to spend more time...

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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post #12

I would differentiate between “working” and “sitting in the office”. My grandfather was a passionate carpenter. His workweek was always at least 60 hours. Sourcing wood, visiting clients, organizing everything, etc. He was in good shape and died at 92 years age. Being forced to sit in the office 45 hours a week I don’t think that I reach age above 60 years. This sitting whole day in the noisy environment was destroyi…

Ah yes, the good old "my anecdote trumps science" post on Hacker News. If this happens on Hacker News, no wonder the rest of the world is even worse. "Two systematic reviews and meta-analyses of the latest evidence were conducted for this study. Data from 37 studies on ischemic heart disease covering more than 768 000 participants and 22 studies on stroke covering more than 839 000 participants were synthesized. The…

Did you read the study? I did. It aggregates scores of other studies with orthogonal datasets, widely disparate abstracts, and what appear to be dramatically different outcomes, then applies what appear to be arbitrary and AFAIK undefined models to achieve its probably unfalsifiable outcomes.

Not saying the conclusions they came to are wrong. I’m saying you can’t possibly determine whether it’s right from the data they present. I’m not sure they could replicate their own conclusion if you sat down at a desk with them.

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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post #17

The Japanese even have a word for it: Karoshi. > which can be translated literally as "overwork death", […] The most common medical causes of karoshi deaths are heart attacks or strokes due to stress and a starvation diet. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi

The Japanese and the Germans are something else with their brilliant words for random things.

I've always thought that the existence or lack of concise words that describe such things (or don't) says a lot about a culture.

The word exists in Japanese because it's such a common problem in their work culture, and it's so frequently talked about they needed a word for it instead of a string of words everytime they wanted to convey the meaning of working someone quite literally to death (stress levels so high they impact your health to the point of even causing death). It doesn't take a shovel to do these, you can abuse and stress your body in many ways to cause death, we just think of literal more clear physical damage from the past because it's easy to understand "back breaking" labor. We dont have "heart breaking" labor (physically and emotionally speaking), even though we really do: conditions that can lead to heart attacks and all sorts of other problems.

In the US, it seems like we're getting to a point we need such words because people are starting to talk about ridiculous conditions more--it's becoming less a stigma of being 'lazy' and more awareness of labor abuse is on the rise.

I'm convinced "burnt out" is a more modern trend and is often misused from the original meaning of the phrase because of a lack of appropriate terms to describe the overwork trends we're seeing more and more in the US. Such terms may also be lagging due to a lack of acknowledgement of these problems by some from factors like stigma or self-doubt.

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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Definitely believable since sustained stress is highly related to sustained blood pressure issues. Sustained stress onto your heart damages your heart and other organs such as kidney and your liver. Ask any doctor who has even remote specialization or expertise with heart disease. Stress is directly correlational to heart disease. If you do experience palpitation or risk of high blood, I recommend you regularly check…

What should I do if I notice that my blood pressure is too high during one of those measurements?

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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post #12

I would differentiate between “working” and “sitting in the office”. My grandfather was a passionate carpenter. His workweek was always at least 60 hours. Sourcing wood, visiting clients, organizing everything, etc. He was in good shape and died at 92 years age. Being forced to sit in the office 45 hours a week I don’t think that I reach age above 60 years. This sitting whole day in the noisy environment was destroyi…

My tinsmith workaholic grandfather had his first heart attack in his mid 50's and I've been watching him lose metaphorical and sometimes literal pieces of himself due to his poor cardiovascular health for the last 30-ish years.

So does this mean that the two anecdotes balance out, or that it's possible we shouldn't consider single cases as data?

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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I have a few anecdotes like that: - 39h/week at a truck dismantling warehouse (very heavy duty stuff) I was fresh like a dolphin (was doing pushups during pauses to get ready for the next shift, pretty telling), had to leave after harassment, missed that job a lot. - part time gig as morning newspaper delivery, couldn't be easier on paper.. couldn't last more than 2 months due to very peculiar stress that driving and…

Love those extremely varied anecdotes, esp and tragically the courthouse one. What was the nature of the harassment?

Very rare kind of ~boss, old timer mechanics who had a military style of management, which I don't mind as long as you don't lie, but he started accusing me of shit. And with his persona you'd quickly feel gutted every time he speaks to you. It was extremely petty stuff like not finding screwdrivers but he made it a humiliating session and insisted that you did a wrong job. In reality it was an open warehouse and people from other services come and go and take tools they need regularly. I knew that after the fact. Also colleagues ended up threatening me because I had the balls to complain about the lack of organization. A lesson in tribal dynamics.

The court house is way sadder than this, people go there because it's public guaranteed job so paycheck motivation only, people some times would sigh at the simplest movement (grabbing a pen). It also has social implications.. this delays lawsuits by years. It's stockholm syndrom institutionalized.

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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Overwork has not only an impact on the worker, but society has a whole. You could have two people doing that job with decent hours, and the health and stress-relief associated costs would probably compensate for much of the salary impact. We need to rethink the way work is distributed.
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