TikTok Remix Culture • Hacker News Board

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by dang » Sat, May 15, 2021, 8:46 PM UTC

filleduchaos wrote: post #202

selfhoster11 wrote: post #194

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What's there to hate? The company behind it, said company's past conduct, and the links it's got to CCP.

so basically every major social media platform in existence (and quite a few of the more general tech ones too), except replace the CCP with the American government Honestly it's kinda fun watching Americans tangle with the "oh no this ubiquitous platform is controlled by a company beholden to a foreign power I disagree with but have no say in or control over!" conundrum for once.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. We're trying for the opposite here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by Graffur » Sat, May 15, 2021, 10:38 PM UTC

mysterEFrank wrote: post #189

defaultname wrote: post #161

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To the "girls dancing" claim, I get approximately zero dancing girl videos. If you demonstrated to the app that such is the content you want, that's what you'll get. I get tonnes of birds, comedy, pets, weird animals, etc. "On top of that it is designed to be addicting for the sake of addiction." TikTok doesn't create content. People do. It happens to have content creation tools [the real genius of TikTok that many o…

TikTok pings you every few hours of swiping with a video that tells you to put the phone down and get some fresh air. It's the only social media app I've ever used that does that.

Instagram does this too fwiw

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by Graffur » Sat, May 15, 2021, 10:39 PM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #216

Graffur wrote: post #119

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Tiktok is full of girls dancing with very little or very tight clothes on for likes and attention. It's really seedy. There's subreddits dedicated to posting about these accounts. On top of that it is designed to be addicting for the sake of addiction. It doesnt matter what the video is about once it will keep the user on the app. The algorithm will work out the perfect way for each person to be sucked in. We all kno…

> Tiktok is full of girls dancing with very little or very tight clothes on for likes and attention Said every single person who has never tried TikTok and forms their entire opinion based on things they read on online and a few subreddits dedicated to posting very specific kind of content.

Nope I have researched tik tok thoroughly

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by Graffur » Sat, May 15, 2021, 10:40 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #223

Graffur wrote: post #119

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Tiktok is full of girls dancing with very little or very tight clothes on for likes and attention. It's really seedy. There's subreddits dedicated to posting about these accounts. On top of that it is designed to be addicting for the sake of addiction. It doesnt matter what the video is about once it will keep the user on the app. The algorithm will work out the perfect way for each person to be sucked in. We all kno…

> Tiktok is full of girls dancing with very little or very tight clothes on for likes and attention. Even if that was true, so what? While the venue changes, that’s what bitter elders always complain about about youth culture, to the point where it being a recognized cliche is ancient. > On top of that it is designed to be addicting for the sake of addiction. All of social media (and most of the web, and much offline…

So your argument is that is no worse than other bad things? I won;t even respond to your first question. We're too far apart to make a worthwhile conversation.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by Graffur » Sat, May 15, 2021, 10:45 PM UTC

defaultname wrote: post #169

Graffur wrote: post #167

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> To the "girls dancing" claim, I get approximately zero dancing girl videos. If you demonstrated to the app that such is the content you want, that's what you'll get. I get tonnes of birds, comedy, pets, weird animals, etc. I am not complaining that I get the wrong recommendations. In fact, I don't have the app. My point is the app is full is seedy content. It's literally designed to be addictive. If you don't under…

You don't use it, yet you are also an authority on what it is "full of". So much so that you're an observer of subreddits dedicated to lascivious TikTok content. I use Reddit and am blissfully unaware of such subs. As to "designed to be addictive", you are literally using that as a lazy, pejorative surrogate for "designed to be rewarding/enjoyable". Understand that almost every part of your life is "designed to be ad…

I have researched it thoroughly and understand how it works. That goes for other major sites too including facebook, instagram, whatsapp, reddit.

I don't care that you use reddit and are unaware of what content is on it. I could not care less.

The tik tok algorithm is designed to be addictive. It sounds like you agree but are trying to obscure that fact by throwing examples of other popular products.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by Graffur » Sat, May 15, 2021, 10:47 PM UTC

efdee wrote: post #185

Graffur wrote: post #139

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I _knew_ this would be the reply. For your info, I don't have a TikTok account so try another argument.

So exactly how do you know what TikTok is full of, then?

I have had multiple accounts. I have researched how others use the platform. I have observed the content migrating from one platform to another.

Are you arguing that tik tok is not full of girls in little clothing? Your argument is easily defeated.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by Graffur » Sat, May 15, 2021, 10:47 PM UTC

user-the-name wrote: post #207

Graffur wrote: post #139

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I _knew_ this would be the reply. For your info, I don't have a TikTok account so try another argument.

TikTok will still learn your preferences and adjust what content it shows you even if you don't register.

That is not relevant. I am not complaining about content shown to me personally.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by defaultname » Sat, May 15, 2021, 10:49 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #198

defaultname wrote: post #191

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TikTok doesn't autoplay anything -- it repeats the video you watched. Do you mean you scrolled down? Further, obviously the seed video that you used is going to have an enormous influence on subsequent videos (as presumably would the sender -- shared links can contain details about the sender, and if they had a logical algorithm that can play a part as well). And of course surely we all know that sites don't just tra…

>TikTok doesn't autoplay anything -- it repeats the video you watched. Do you mean you scrolled down? I click a link in WhatsApp, it opens up Safari in iOS on my phone, it plays the video, then at the end it starts playing another video. I'm using a content blocker, so I presume TikTok does not know anything about my personal characteristics, so I assumed the videos that autoplay are the ones they autoplay by default…

Just tried that specific scenario and after the video it showed (silently and muted, in a 1/4 size window) a preview of the "next" video. Unlike imgur, or YouTube, or many other services it doesn't just silently continue. It never goes further.

If someone sent you a link, it will include an identifier of the sender. It usually will say at the top of the screen "[Sender account] is using TikTok! Join now". Logically this informs the suggestions of the app.

The lack of scrubbing is annoying (although apparently the Android version recently added the ability). The app is also inconsistent in that sometimes it shows a progress indicator at the bottom, sometimes it doesn't.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by Graffur » Sat, May 15, 2021, 10:50 PM UTC

gabaix wrote: post #213

defaultname wrote: post #163

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If a site has user contributed content there will usually be the "seedy" content. Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit...if it gets big enough, a certain segment will monetize it. Usually as an advertising vehicle for their more overt content on adult sites. It's actually an interesting complaint because TikTok takes a lot of heat for taking down a lot of benign content. "that's still a large part of how they make mo…

I have the opposite impression. I only like niche content about tools and life hacks, but every time seedy content is pushed back into my feed. It has gotten worse in the past year. I am actually surprised people see positives about Tik Tok. IMO it has a much worse societal impact than competition.

It will always happen because as the old saying goes: "sex sells". For some reason, there is a large population on HN that will argue against the fact that tik tok has this content.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by Graffur » Sat, May 15, 2021, 10:51 PM UTC

wdroz wrote: post #197

Graffur wrote: post #121

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HN is a place that now hates cryptocurrency and loves tiktok.. very curious!

I bet most of us doesn't use tiktok, therefore we are unlikely to write any comment to talk about it. If the positive comments are made in good faith, I see no reason to downvote/flag them.

I agree, I am not downvoting or flagging any comments unless they are clearly spam.