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Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by saddlerustle »

yawaworht1978 wrote: post #99

The EU lawmakers are doing what the gutless paid for and owned US lawmakers cannot or will not do. The US congress balooneyd around with Zuckerberg, he took the piss out of them. The EU politicians are a little bit less shameless and do something to protect the population(not even the local electorate, they have the ability to see beyond the box). Facebook and Instagram are designed to keep people more "engaged"(addi…

> Tried to delete FB, ig or WA account completely? Every imaginable Ui obstruction and retention trick will bother you on the way out.

Deleting WhatsApp is Settings -> Account -> Delete My Account -> Delete My Account

Deleting Facebook is Settings -> Account Ownership -> Deactivation and Deletion -> Delete Account (With a very clear choice between deactivation and permanent deletion) -> Delete Account

Compare that to unsubscribing from the New York Times...

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by galgalesh »

martin8412 wrote: post #98
mrighele wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An "easy" solution would be for FB to lobby for the USA to adopt privacy laws similar to those in Europe. Then maybe the data transfer ban could be lifted (somehow I suspect that will not be the case)

The US would have to agree that data on EU citizens is not theirs to snoop in. They would also have to trust that the US would actually honor that, and I think most will agree that the EU can't trust the US on that.

In case it wasn't clear; this was the exact issue. The EU decided that current US legislation makes it impossible for Facebook to ensure the US government will respect the privacy of EU residents.

Search "privacy shield invalidated" for more info.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by yawaworht1978 »

saddlerustle wrote: post #111
yawaworht1978 wrote: post #99

The EU lawmakers are doing what the gutless paid for and owned US lawmakers cannot or will not do. The US congress balooneyd around with Zuckerberg, he took the piss out of them. The EU politicians are a little bit less shameless and do something to protect the population(not even the local electorate, they have the ability to see beyond the box). Facebook and Instagram are designed to keep people more "engaged"(addi…

> Tried to delete FB, ig or WA account completely? Every imaginable Ui obstruction and retention trick will bother you on the way out. Deleting WhatsApp is Settings -> Account -> Delete My Account -> Delete My Account Deleting Facebook is Settings -> Account Ownership -> Deactivation and Deletion -> Delete Account (With a very clear choice between deactivation and permanent deletion) -> Delete Account Compare that to…

It is true that subscription s and re occuring payments are much worse, but we are talking "freeware" here. Especially IG you have to do in the browser.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by cerved »

ronsor wrote: post #52
cerved wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a matter of data being encrypted, it's about the US authorities being able to demand decrypted access to the data of EU citizens from Facebook.

Facebook is a US company. Even if the data was stored only in Europe, they'd likely cave to demands anyway.

it's not about where the data is stored, it's about Facebooks inability to guarantee the rights of EU citizens and their data as it's transferred to the US

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by talideon »

saddlerustle wrote: post #111
yawaworht1978 wrote: post #99

The EU lawmakers are doing what the gutless paid for and owned US lawmakers cannot or will not do. The US congress balooneyd around with Zuckerberg, he took the piss out of them. The EU politicians are a little bit less shameless and do something to protect the population(not even the local electorate, they have the ability to see beyond the box). Facebook and Instagram are designed to keep people more "engaged"(addi…

> Tried to delete FB, ig or WA account completely? Every imaginable Ui obstruction and retention trick will bother you on the way out. Deleting WhatsApp is Settings -> Account -> Delete My Account -> Delete My Account Deleting Facebook is Settings -> Account Ownership -> Deactivation and Deletion -> Delete Account (With a very clear choice between deactivation and permanent deletion) -> Delete Account Compare that to…

Except that's not really what happens with Facebook. I deleted my account there ages ago, and discovered later when checking haveibeenpwned.com that the email address I used there was part of a data dump from Facebook. So, do I believe that FB really delete your data when you request to permanently delete it? Nope, not in the slightest.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by tasogare »

saddlerustle wrote: post #111
yawaworht1978 wrote: post #99

The EU lawmakers are doing what the gutless paid for and owned US lawmakers cannot or will not do. The US congress balooneyd around with Zuckerberg, he took the piss out of them. The EU politicians are a little bit less shameless and do something to protect the population(not even the local electorate, they have the ability to see beyond the box). Facebook and Instagram are designed to keep people more "engaged"(addi…

> Tried to delete FB, ig or WA account completely? Every imaginable Ui obstruction and retention trick will bother you on the way out. Deleting WhatsApp is Settings -> Account -> Delete My Account -> Delete My Account Deleting Facebook is Settings -> Account Ownership -> Deactivation and Deletion -> Delete Account (With a very clear choice between deactivation and permanent deletion) -> Delete Account Compare that to…

Facebook have (had?) this clause of "if you reconnect in the following 30 days the account deletion will be cancelled" instead of deleting it immediately. Which is indeed one of the trick mentioned by GP.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by akarma »

ramblerman wrote: post #109
mdasen wrote: post #79

I know that a lot of people's reaction to this might be, "screw Facebook", but the ramification might be "entrench Facebook such that no one can compete with them." If the Irish data regulator enforces the provisional order, it would effectively end the privileged access companies in the US have to personal data from Europe and put them on the same footing as companies in other nations outside the bloc. This isn't ju…

You are assuming every company immediately needs to serve the "whole" world. This regulation might actually make EU startups serving the EU more competitive vs competition from Silicon Valley. Which would be a double win for the EU legislators.

A social startup only being available in a certain country would be a substantial hindrance to adoption in most cases.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by cerved »

cromka wrote: post #47
cerved wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a matter of data being encrypted, it's about the US authorities being able to demand decrypted access to the data of EU citizens from Facebook.

And, although this is an educated guess, about US businesses paying for Facebook ad services targeting EU customers using the collected data in a way that GDPR would block in EU.

No, not really. This doesn't have anything to do with US companies using ad targeting services that don't comply with GDPR.

Schrems 2 is case primarily about US companies working with US authorities.

https://edpb.europa.eu/our-work-tools/our-documents/other/fr...

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by jpttsn »

osmarks wrote: post #91
jpttsn wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d view “buying competitors” as a sign of “competing”. Otherwise, in the Middle Ages, “European kingdoms don’t fight wars, they just conquer one another”

Possibly, but it's not the sort of competition which leads to more choice and better outcomes for consumers.

Maybe, maybe not. Consumers would be analogous to consumers of kingdoms, so it all sort of falls apart.

Anyway, if the competition is not an ends unto itself it would seem a more direct argument can be made.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by ev1 »

sgregnt wrote: post #48
graphtrader wrote: post #3

Ahh poor Facebook. I feel so bad for them. Has to be tough not being able to steal people's data.

This comment is very biased, who are you to speak for all facebook users? For one thing, Facebook allows me to stay connected with my family in another country. I'm infinity grateful to it for that, and I'm ready to exchange getting this amazing free service for my very personal information. No one stole this data from me, I'm happy with this arrangement. Same with other the services: Google's, amazon, and what not..…

The problem here is that the majority of users don't actually have informed consent. They don't know what is happening. They think it's just being served ads or something and are like "OK, I can accept the ads in exchange for the service" - what they don't know is FB is passing data to and from data brokers, purchasing your credit card purchases, matching your phone numbers against real life data, then leaking that data to unintended recipients via API or otherwise.

I wouldn't care if I was served isolated display ads, even targetted based on my entered data.

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