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Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by oauea »

twobitshifter wrote: post #8
rich_sasha wrote: post #5

I can’t see why it would be devastating in practice. Why can’t the servers that deduce every little thing about the users be also based in EU? If I want a worldwide ad (is that even a thing?) for left-leaning horse owners between ages of 20-27.5 with a child and at least 2 partners, can’t that be dished out from an EU server for EU users?

I, an American, have a friend in France, where is our friendship stored? I send a message to my friend in France they send me one back, where are these two messages stored? We have a photo taken while traveling together in Belgium with 2 other Americans, what server? I could see this being a problem only effectively solved by a separate EU and US Facebook. It is not clear what data they are worried about transmission…

Facebook hires a lot of very smart people. I'm sure they can figure it out, or just, you know, stop their illegal behavior.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by oauea »

toyg wrote: post #4
graphtrader wrote: post #3

Ahh poor Facebook. I feel so bad for them. Has to be tough not being able to steal people's data.

Now now, they don’t “steal” it, they just “collect” it. All this data falls off the back of a truck, they just pick it up.

Indeed, just like movie piracy is not stealing.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by corobo »

evanelias wrote: post #46
twobitshifter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, an American, have a friend in France, where is our friendship stored? I send a message to my friend in France they send me one back, where are these two messages stored? We have a photo taken while traveling together in Belgium with 2 other Americans, what server? I could see this being a problem only effectively solved by a separate EU and US Facebook. It is not clear what data they are worried about transmission…

Yes, this is exactly the challenge. It extends far beyond just ad-targeting. On the database side, social network sharding, replication, and caching schemes aren't typically designed based on national origin of users. If you have a full datacenter (i.e. containing databases, not just a frontend or CDN / PoP footprint) in a country, then typically the entire logical data set -- all data for all users worldwide -- is p…

Sounds like the challenge is using peoples' data in a way that isn't scumbaggerific to be honest

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by dane-pgp »

skinnymuch wrote: post #40
wrren wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that, as an E.U citizen, the governments and agencies that might access this data, along with the laws that allow for that access, are ultimately accountable to me and my fellow citizens. If my data is transferred to the U.S, I have no ability to influence how it's used at all, I effectively have no rights.

I’m an average random person. I have zero, even being high paranoia, of some other country surveilling me. But my own country “spying” and surveilling me can be scary. They have a lot of power over me. My one voice isn’t important enough to change any legislation or actions. I doubt yours is either. If something unlucky happens with the surveillance of you in your country, you’re likely out of luck. OTOH, nothing hap…

> My one voice isn’t important enough to change any legislation or actions. I doubt yours is either.

It sounds like you're suggesting human rights (such as the right to privacy) should only be granted to those who really need. Presumably the government would then get to decide who really needs each right, and who isn't important enough to warrant them.

Also, I think you're forgetting cases where people have been spied on and ultimately renditioned or murdered by a hostile government while in a third country. Perhaps Assange and Khashoggi aren't perfect examples of that, but there are plenty of examples of Russian and Chinese dissidents who have been killed or threatened while living in the West.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by macinjosh »

It is incredibly rich for governments to regulate what can be done with data citizen willingly give up in the name of "protecting privacy". Yet they can monitor our Internet and phone activity without consequence. It is so disheartening watching the EU ruin the Internet. First the effect GDPR was to litter the web with PITA popups and now they want to tell people what to do with their data. The EU cannot collapse soon enough. The weight of the bureaucracy will be their downfall.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by blablabla123 »

evanelias wrote: post #46
twobitshifter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, an American, have a friend in France, where is our friendship stored? I send a message to my friend in France they send me one back, where are these two messages stored? We have a photo taken while traveling together in Belgium with 2 other Americans, what server? I could see this being a problem only effectively solved by a separate EU and US Facebook. It is not clear what data they are worried about transmission…

Yes, this is exactly the challenge. It extends far beyond just ad-targeting. On the database side, social network sharding, replication, and caching schemes aren't typically designed based on national origin of users. If you have a full datacenter (i.e. containing databases, not just a frontend or CDN / PoP footprint) in a country, then typically the entire logical data set -- all data for all users worldwide -- is p…

> the entire scheme falls apart due to the latency.

Every proper Microservice zoo also has the exact same problem of ownership of data and latency. Holding duplicates of often needed parts of the data works surprisingly well and would also be fine with GDPR.

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by [deleted] »

amelius wrote: post #12
twobitshifter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, an American, have a friend in France, where is our friendship stored? I send a message to my friend in France they send me one back, where are these two messages stored? We have a photo taken while traveling together in Belgium with 2 other Americans, what server? I could see this being a problem only effectively solved by a separate EU and US Facebook. It is not clear what data they are worried about transmission…

> I, an American, have a friend in France, where is our friendship stored? Sounds almost philosophical. I have a friend. We both have brains. In which brain is our friendship stored?

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Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by MinorTom »

graphtrader wrote: post #3

Ahh poor Facebook. I feel so bad for them. Has to be tough not being able to steal people's data.

You do realize any potential Facebook alternative will face the same problems, further entrenching Facebooks market position.

This even applies to federated social networks like matrix - a EU server can't easily send messages containing personal data to US ones without at least signing an contract with the required "standard contractual clauses" (technically an contract is always required).

Re: Facebook faces ‘devastating’ EU-to-US data transfer ban

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Post by adolph »

ta988 wrote: post #34
amelius wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I, an American, have a friend in France, where is our friendship stored? Sounds almost philosophical. I have a friend. We both have brains. In which brain is our friendship stored?

Both, unless your "friend" does not consider you as a friend, in that case it is only in yours.

People who live in society have learnt how to see themselves, in mirrors, as they appear to their friends. I have no friends: is that why my flesh is so naked?

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/548471-people-who-live-in-s...

Let us consider your hypothetical glitched friend-state within Antoine’s concept of distributed self awareness. Does the friend delusion lead to self delusion or vice versa?

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