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Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by ineedasername »

paul_f wrote: post #159
ineedasername wrote: post #103

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Perhaps the Yankees, with 8 vaccinated team members positive with COVID. One of them had even been sick with it before. However it's worth pointing out that they did not get the more effective mRNA versions.

false positives and crappy pcr tests, never meant as diagnostics

It's referenced as a diagnostic test: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/covid-19-diagnos...

What leads you to believe it is not?

As for false positives, a cluster like that seems unlikely give they had a less effective vaccine overall and in terms of protection from variants. If they are false positives, I'd bet on sample or protocol contamination, not a random clustering.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by vmception »

kelnos wrote: post #522
vmception wrote: post #468

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Disagreed politically? I’m talking about major markets like California opening up, not whatever happens already in Georgia or Florida. So I think these more risk averse jurisdictions will also have a few businesses that try to maintain independent restrictions without support from the state, and I think they will have lost tolerance from their entire population or market base by then (a few weeks from now). This is n…

I think the parent's main objection is that you seem to be showing glee at the prospect of a business failing because it shows an overabundance of caution even after the state no longer requires it. That's... kinda petty, no? Especially when wearing a mask inside a store or whatever isn't a particularly difficult thing to do.

I am expressing glee at the accelerated failure of barely viable businesses.

Its 100% Machiavellian.

Many businesses could have made their patrons equity owners but instead went for the gofundme as nondilutive capital. Many bad tastes in my mouth, so long and goodnight. Evictions restarting soon too.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by [deleted] »

stolenmerch wrote: post #784
ceejayoz wrote: post #772

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The subject of this HN thread is the CDC lifting the masking requirement, and some folks choosing individually to still wear them at times; an act that causes no one any harm. A debate on mask mandates in general over the last year is probably off topic, but I'm inclined to see them as quite justifiable.

Fine, then the claim that "If masks work, and you don’t wear one, you are potentially killing people and worsening the pandemic." is off-topic and irrelevant since this is no longer true.

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Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by Vecr »

postalrat wrote: post #692
ianai wrote: post #674

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Here’s a discussion with how it all works and relevant links (edit: though I wish there were more sources there. Reader will have to do some work themselves): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27125871 There’s some positing that the vaccine could help or totally stop so-called long covid symptoms. My mom had some long covid symptoms and hasn’t since she got the vaccine. Also from the link, second exposures to infe…

My guess is the vaccine is acting as a placebo for those with long term symptoms. I'm sure eventually we will know more.

Or the long term symptoms are mostly nocebos, and/or the only reason they are regarded as having one cause instead of many (as well as symptoms they would have gotten anyway) is that the person in question knows about "long COVID", or a combination of those and possibly even something that's really causally related.

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Post by Vecr »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #739

How is a non-vaccinated person supposed to be able to tell if the person breathing on them has been vaccinated?

You don't, if you do need to be around other people, get the vaccine and/or wear a respirator. Or don't do either, you have a choice.

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Post by [deleted] »

jdminhbg wrote: post #751
abracadaniel wrote: post #745

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They never said that "masks don't work", you'll find that they instead said "There is no evidence that masks work" as there wasn't yet evidence at the time. It was correct, but a poor way to communicate the situation.

There was no change in the evidence on masks between March and April of 2020. This is retconning the CDC’s incompetent messaging.

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Post by ByteJockey »

wyldfire wrote: post #676
wallacoloo wrote: post #305

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Or it could give people who are already suspect of government more reason to avoid the vaccine. A stranger on the sidewalk is giving away free cookies. If in addition they offer $100 to each person who eats one, does that make me more, or less likely to accept a cookie?

Poor analogy. The public at large has a vested interest in high vaccination rates.

I don't think the public's interest is in question here (well, at least not in this particular argument).

I think the point is about how much you trust the person handing out the cookies/vaccine and money. There are plenty of people who trust the government about as much (or less) than a random stranger.

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Post by josephcsible »

mypalmike wrote: post #400
ALittleLight wrote: post #359

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"The statements of fact they release pertain to public health with no human adversarial motives." The CDC has knowingly lied about the efficacy of masks intending to trick the public to deprive them of useful medical gear. They were slow to identify the spread of covid as aerosol based, even after it was widely known. CDC guidance focused on "6 feet apart" instead of the importance of ventilation. The CDC temporarily…

If the CDC did the opposite in each of these cases, people would find fault in that. "They told the general public to wear masks early on, leading to mask shortages at hospitals!" And "When blood clots were reported in JnJ vaccine they did nothing to protect Americans!"

False dichotomy. The CDC's only two choices weren't to say "everyone wear masks" or "masks don't work." They also could have told the whole truth and said "masks do work, but please hold off on wearing them until we're sure there's enough for first responders."

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Post by blagie »

_euac wrote: post #817
sokoloff wrote: post #512

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Fortunately, we’re not. In between, there was a vaccine developed and deployed and the science strongly (overwhelmingly is probably more precise) suggests that fully vaccinated people are at minimal risk to themselves and minimal risk to spread, which is of course the entire point of vaccines and entirely unsurprising given our understanding and long experience with other vaccines, which almost all exhibited the same…

There's almost a year between the time we originally went into lockdown to 'flatten the curve' and the time a significant part of the population got vaccinated. You can't pretend that not using a mask now - once someone is vaccinated - is the same as not using a mask back then.

N95 masks ($2/day) + vaccines would almost certainly eliminate COVID19.

Wouldn't it be nice to eliminate COVID19?

Look at the heroics for WWI and WWII. And those caused fewer combat deaths.

You can't pretend Americans haven't grown selfish and lazy.

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