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Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by viraptor »

Toutouxc wrote: post #63
vvanpo wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many ways macOS improves over Linux desktops, but file explorers is not one of the arguments I would have made. Finder is practically unusable.

Honest question, what's wrong with Finder? I use ForkLift for the heavy lifting (lol), but it works just fine for "navigate to file, open/move/delete file, sort by size/date, tag files, find files".

Not mentioned yet:

- no explicit refresh - if you're using network shares you often won't get an update notification, but have to go out and in again

- insistence on abstractions - I don't want to click through all the folders, sometimes I have a path ready to paste

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by jtbayly »

Redoubts wrote: post #209
johnvaluk wrote: post #204

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You know those completely useless files (.DS_Store, ._foo.bar, etc.) that you see whenever you expand an archive or clone a repository from a developer who uses a Mac? Finder drops those turds.

Who cares?

John does, apparently.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by viraptor »

ravenstine wrote: post #44
Naac wrote: post #13

It's just a "better integrated" virtual machine: "Lima launches Linux virtual machines on macOS" This might be a controversial opinion, but I find developers flocking to macOS really bewildering. As a developer, why do you want to fight your operating system to get basic things done? This Lima thing, docker running in a virtual machine, Apple being actively hostile with the default coreutils requiring you to layer mu…

Here's why I moved away from Linux to macOS: - I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. The file explorers are also a joke and frequently changing. - I've never booted to a black screen when upgrading macOS. - 99% of the work I do never needs anything that has to be virtualized under macOS. - Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as…

> Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as well as my Mac.

If we go with anecdotes, in the last 2 decades, I used a mix of laptops from bargain bin to thinkpads. I used macs only the last 3 years (2 different mbp models) and those are the only ones that ever needed servicing.

1. Key caps falling off (replace the top),

2. Weird memory corruption on boot (out of warranty, get a new model),

3. Charging issues (replace the inside),

4. (kind of mac issue due to lack of ports) Their usbc-hdmi dongle started failing. (not serviced, get a new one)

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by TimTheTinker »

regularfry wrote: post #184
dkarras wrote: post #153

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I use vagrant boxes (virtualbox) with nfs shares, works well. I'd still do it if I was on linux to be honest. My VMs are provisioned in a way that they have everything installed for the particular project and they are "stateless" in a way that I can and sometimes do reset them to their post-provision state (as virtualbox / vagrant supports snapshots) and my experience with the project stays the same. They are meant t…

I would do, but corporate VPN management clobbers the routing table and breaks it.

Parallels' "Shared Network" doesn't suffer from this problem.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by mixedCase »

dmitriid wrote: post #215
cookiengineer wrote: post #198

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You're extrapolating from Debian's packaging concept to other distros, though your argument does not apply to most of the rolling distros out there. On a rolling distro (e.g. using pacman, or say yast2 and others for sake of argument) you typically ship the header files included with the libraries, so that you don't need multiple versions of the same library installed. On Debian/Ubuntu, however, it will always end up…

That's the problem isn't it? Whichever problem you point at in Linux, the answer is invariably the same: "you're holding it wr^W^W^^W you're using the wrong distro, the wrong package manager, the wrong DE, the wrong version of any of those things". And, invariably, for any problem the one true combination is different.

And that's why forks suck and everyone should use a spork. Having options that cater to different usecases is confusing. You don't really need to take big bites anyway.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by boltzmann_brain »

ravenstine wrote: post #44
Naac wrote: post #13

It's just a "better integrated" virtual machine: "Lima launches Linux virtual machines on macOS" This might be a controversial opinion, but I find developers flocking to macOS really bewildering. As a developer, why do you want to fight your operating system to get basic things done? This Lima thing, docker running in a virtual machine, Apple being actively hostile with the default coreutils requiring you to layer mu…

Here's why I moved away from Linux to macOS: - I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. The file explorers are also a joke and frequently changing. - I've never booted to a black screen when upgrading macOS. - 99% of the work I do never needs anything that has to be virtualized under macOS. - Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as…

I know this is comparing to Linux, and honestly I would prefer my MacBook running Linux flawlessly as I can on my desktop. However, I was like you - wanting to do everything on macOS, and as much as I generally like macOS and Apple tech (e.g. Metal), I installed Windows 10 on my MacBook and it's just so much better with WSL. Things just integrate well and there's an upcoming WSL upgrade that lets you use GPU and integrated windows server - this will probably never happen on macOS.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by TimTheTinker »

kelnos wrote: post #163
ravenstine wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's why I moved away from Linux to macOS: - I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. The file explorers are also a joke and frequently changing. - I've never booted to a black screen when upgrading macOS. - 99% of the work I do never needs anything that has to be virtualized under macOS. - Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as…

> I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. Been running Xfce since 2004 with no stability issues whatsoever. > Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as well as my Mac. Oof, I guess you never got a Mac during 2016-2020 or so. They've been gradually declining in build quality. I owned Mac laptops continually from 2005 until 2019, and…

> Every time I go back to macOS, I get frustrated with the inflexibility of it all. I get that it's a pain to feel like you have to customize everything to get something usable for you

It's great if macOS is what you want, or is close enough to it (which it is for many, many people).

I guess people's problem with Linux is that no amount of knob twiddling ever gets Linux's desktop and window manager close enough to what they want.

Personally, I want macOS to be my window manager, and I want Linux to be my dev environment/command line. I can't twiddle either to be close enough to the other, so I run Ubuntu in Parallels on macOS.

Now if macOS gained the equivalent of Windows Subsystem for Linux, I'd be super happy.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by testific8 »

kall wrote: post #189
laumars wrote: post #162

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> I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. The file explorers are also a joke and frequently changing. Dolphin on KDE hasn’t changed in 10 years and is far more functional than Finder. Frankly I think Finder is an appalling file manager so I’m surprised to hear anyone advocate it. > MacBooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as well as m…

At this point the #1 is that I believe directly paying relatively small developers money for software produces by far the most user friendly (in many senses) desktop software. On the mac, that model is still thriving. Everywhere else you have maybe a handful of great options. Apart from that you get some Electron SaaS, some ancient professional software and some messy open source options. If you‘re lucky maybe some m…

I don't think that feasable from a security standpoint. Ideally, software would be open-source and authored under the supervision of a handful of trusted parties.

The metaphorical "chain of trust" is strongest when it's composed of a few strong links, and when its cracks are visible.

What you're suggesting is that we should use a model with many small links and invisible cracks.

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