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Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by tylerhou » Fri, May 14, 2021, 10:03 PM UTC

the_optimist wrote: post #258

tylerhou wrote: post #256

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My "stronger claim" is my original claim, just rephrased, so don't pretend that I have moved any goalposts. These statements are in the Mueller report, as you can see for yourself. https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download . > The meeting was proposed to Donald Trump Jr. in an email from Robert Goldstone, at the request of his then-client Emin Agalarov, the son of Russian real-estate developer Aras A…

You have this inverted. The bar isn't that legal behavior must be circumscribed by law, it is that illegal behavior is specified by law. Actions which are not prosecutable under the law are very specifically what you say they are not: legally meaningless. > "no evidence was ever found to substantiate Trump or his associates or campaign ever working with Russians to interfere with the election" Parse this again and ag…

> Actions which are not prosecutable under the law are very specifically what you say they are not: legally meaningless.

Are you really trying to suggest that actions done by an individual are illegal only if the government can successfully prosecute that individual for their action? Clearly the legality of an action and the ability to prosecute an action are separate concepts.

> It's telling that they tried to proxy a value under campaign FINANCE violations

This very obviously falls under campaign finance regulations. Federal regulations prohibit campaigns from accepting "things of value" from foreign nationals, and opposition research on a political opponent is also clearly a thing of value, seeing as campaigns hire people to perform opposition research all the time. Dirt on a political opponent also obviously falls under something that would be revealed by opposition research.

> Parse this again and again. What does this mean? Who would be "interfering?"

The Russians would be interfering in our elections through ads/marketing that support Trump, and providing things of value to the Trump campaign. If the Trump campaign helps the Russians accomplish those goals (through accepting information or giving the Russians demographic data) that would be illegal. It's really quite simple to understand.

Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by _-david-_ » Fri, May 14, 2021, 10:12 PM UTC

teclordphrack2 wrote: post #120

temp8964 wrote: post #57

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There is nothing new about Russia interfering with foreign elections. What is new is that a presidential candidate can be accused of colluding with Russia. You can't just go back to say "Russian collusion" means something else, when in fact the mainstream media and the Democrat Party members at the time was claiming Trump colluded with Putin.

There was collusion. Manafort gave polling data to the russians.

So did the media. Are wr going to arrest any news commentator who was viewed by a Russian?

Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by _-david-_ » Fri, May 14, 2021, 10:14 PM UTC

tylerhou wrote: post #250

the_optimist wrote: post #230

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There was no evidence that would support a criminal prosecution. You say it yourself. What exactly are you trying to rebut here?

The original poster said: > in the end, The Mueller report admitted that no evidence was ever found to substantiate Trump or his associates or campaign ever working with Russians to interfere with the election? and > there never was any evidence for... the conspiracy theory that Trump or his campaign colluded with Putin to hack (or otherwise subvert) the election These claims are strictly not true; Mueller found many…

> Mueller found many instances where the Trump campaign directly worked with Russian officials in order to "get dirt on" Clinton

So did Clinton. The Steele dossier had information from Russian officials and other Russians. Steele himself isn't an American either.

Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, May 14, 2021, 10:16 PM UTC

the_optimist wrote: post #248

tw04 wrote: post #243

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>To be illegal, information sharing has to violate some law. This does not. It is simply not illegal to share information with Russia citizens, the Russian government, or anyone affiliated with Russia. I can't tell if you're intentionally stating falsehoods with the hope nobody will fact check you, or if you're just completely ignorant of the law. He was accused and convicted of acting as an unregistered foreign agen…

This is a non-argument. I do not dispute that he did or not. I assert strongly that no one on earth should care in the slightest.

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Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by sam_4675 » Fri, May 14, 2021, 10:20 PM UTC

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #192

dillondoyle wrote: post #188

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Seems more malicious than lazy.

Of course it’s malicious. In context they were making a tongue-in-cheek joke intended to expose those that never heard about the MLK letter(s) to their existence. In other news, I only learned about the assassination of Fred Hampton quite recently. That’s a fun one.

I am skeptical about FBI but 1969 was over 50 years ago and that was under Hoover. Different FBI now. They have jurisdiction over copyright issues so no need for any international intrigue. Maybe there actually is one here.

Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by giantrobot » Fri, May 14, 2021, 10:28 PM UTC

msbarnett wrote: post #178

Denvercoder9 wrote: post #84

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PGP begs to differ.

Anyone who's worked on the PGP project would be the first to tell you that PGP does not and cannot encrypt the email's metadata (to/from, subject, timestamps, etc). All PGP does is encrypt the inner message body. All of the metadata that TLAs love to analyze is sent in the clear (at best inside a TLS connection, although the SMTP protocol unfortunately makes it incredibly easy for well-positioned network attackers to…

While not a silver bullet, anonymous remailers can strip out a lot of metadata. Mixmaster remailers can also help against traffic analysis.

While not as popular as they once were networks of remailers are fairly easy to spin up.

Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by the_optimist » Fri, May 14, 2021, 10:43 PM UTC

tylerhou wrote: post #261

the_optimist wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have this inverted. The bar isn't that legal behavior must be circumscribed by law, it is that illegal behavior is specified by law. Actions which are not prosecutable under the law are very specifically what you say they are not: legally meaningless. > "no evidence was ever found to substantiate Trump or his associates or campaign ever working with Russians to interfere with the election" Parse this again and ag…

> Actions which are not prosecutable under the law are very specifically what you say they are not: legally meaningless. Are you really trying to suggest that actions done by an individual are illegal only if the government can successfully prosecute that individual for their action? Clearly the legality of an action and the ability to prosecute an action are separate concepts. > It's telling that they tried to proxy…

"Are you really trying to suggest..." No, I am directly stating this: Actions which are not illegal should not be prosecuted. This, and every other single aspect of Russia-mania were grotesque attempts to divine illegality. I know you'll disagree from your insistence, but we can agree to disagree.

I believe that asking questions or counterfactuals to your statements leads to merciless dead-ends, just like the Mueller report, and I challenge observers to ask those very questions.

In this very specific and unusual case, agents of the US government chose not to alert the campaign of suspected influence, but rather 'monitor' on the side and comb through their documentation for a crime, in full public political and media theatre.

Would that it happened to you, you might object.

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Post by gebruikersnaam » Fri, May 14, 2021, 10:59 PM UTC

tored wrote: post #259

gebruikersnaam wrote: post #253

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> I think What you think is irrelevant, US intelligence classifies the data as sensitive. The fact is that Manafort lied about sharing the data with Kilimnik, that Barr tried to keep it a secret. But lets see what the Senate report actually says: "It is our conclusion, based on the facts detailed in the Committee's Report, that the Russian intelligence services' assault on the integrity of the 2016 U.S. electoral pro…

> US intelligence classifies the data as sensitive. Where can I read about that classification for this polling data? That part of the report your are quoting is from the addendum of the senators Heinrich, Feinstein, Wyden, Harris and Bennet, all five are members of the Democratic party, so it is not what the report concludes, it just their viewpoints. Nice try. What the report does concludes is "The Committee found…

> Where can I read about that classification for this polling data?

I see that you get your talking points from Mate. But the fact that he or you don't have access to classified info doesn't mean you get to decide that the data is not sensitive. Manafort lied about it and both he and Kilimnik tried to tamper witnesses, that's not something one does over top-level polling data.

That fact that Mueller didn't get enough hard evidence to secure a conviction doesn't mean that there is no evidence. Clinging to 'Russia hoax' doesn't do justice to the amount of circumstantial evidence there is. Lawfare [1] did a much more honest attempt at discussing the report then Mate/Greenwald will ever do.

[1] https://www.lawfareblog.com/collusion-reading-diary-what-did...

Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne » Fri, May 14, 2021, 11:20 PM UTC

njarboe wrote: post #227

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #207

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I can't find anything in your link about presidential apologies. The judge in his case apologised: Lee pleaded guilty to one felony count of illegal "retention" of "national defense information." In return, the government released him from jail and dropped the other 58 counts against him. Judge Parker apologized to Dr. Lee for the unfair manner in which he was treated. The judge also regretted being misled by the exe…

Wikipedia is not a great source for truth of specific facts, but in the "Government investigation" section there is the line "President Bill Clinton issued a public apology to Lee over his treatment by the federal government during the investigation.[5] " Which references a CNN article that states: "Then-President Clinton issued a public apology to Lee over his treatment." [5] http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/05/22/scotus…

OK, thanks- I missed that.

Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by titoCA321 » Fri, May 14, 2021, 11:27 PM UTC

einpoklum wrote: post #93

Why would anyone concerned with privacy have an apple account? I would like to believe ElBakyan is wise enough not to have anything significant/private on such an account.

Why does she plaster her face all over Sci-Hub waving?