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Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by Phrodo_00 »

ravenstine wrote: post #44
Naac wrote: post #13

It's just a "better integrated" virtual machine: "Lima launches Linux virtual machines on macOS" This might be a controversial opinion, but I find developers flocking to macOS really bewildering. As a developer, why do you want to fight your operating system to get basic things done? This Lima thing, docker running in a virtual machine, Apple being actively hostile with the default coreutils requiring you to layer mu…

Here's why I moved away from Linux to macOS: - I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. The file explorers are also a joke and frequently changing. - I've never booted to a black screen when upgrading macOS. - 99% of the work I do never needs anything that has to be virtualized under macOS. - Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as…

> - I've never booted to a black screen when upgrading macOS.

Haven't had anything close to this happen to me in Linux in like 15 years. I've had to reimage my macbook thrice in 5 years. I really don't get it, my linux laptop is pretty wild (touchscreen, hidpi, tablet mode) and everything is supported out of the box, and I'm not even using a friendly distro.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by joombaga »

happymellon wrote: post #119
ravenstine wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's why I moved away from Linux to macOS: - I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. The file explorers are also a joke and frequently changing. - I've never booted to a black screen when upgrading macOS. - 99% of the work I do never needs anything that has to be virtualized under macOS. - Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as…

> Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as well as my Mac. If you are American. In the UK, I find the keyboard layout bewildering. It is not ANSI and it isn't ISO. It's some other thing, with keys that don't exist in any other English speaking keyboard. They even hide # behind a special alt key combo. Other things about it are good, but there are some design decisions…

> They even hide # behind a special alt key combo.

That's way worse than removing the escape key.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by kemayo »

derefr wrote: post #80
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #74

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Not that I'll say Linux filesystem managers are any real good (last one I liked I think was replaced by nautilus), but Finder is no great piece of software. It actively opposes me finding hidden folders and files. It intermingles folders and files, with (AFAIK) no way to to change it. It won't show to-the-byte files sizes (AFAIK). Cut and paste and moving files is annoying. It constantly forgets I want details and no…

> It intermingles folders and files, with (AFAIK) no way to to change it. “Keep folders on top” is a Finder preference as of Big Sur. > file extension hiding Also a Finder preference > program association issues That’s nothing to do with the Finder, but rather with how macOS discovers app-bundle file association claims through Spotlight. It applies equally to files opened through CLI open(1). (Hint: if you downloaded…

Thanks for pointing out that preference -- I hadn't noticed it being added, so this was a nifty discovery.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by satysin »

leadingthenet wrote: post #88
qalmakka wrote: post #78

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True that. Finder is only slightly better than nautilus, but it gets beaten up by Dolphin badly. It would win outright for me with the "Press F4 for an integrated shell" feature alone.

You can definitely do that in Finder by adding the Terminal.app as a Service. Here’s a guide I found: https://www.howtogeek.com/210147/how-to-open-terminal-in-the...

They are referring to the shell being integrated into Finder similar to the integrated terminal in Visual Studio Code or IntelliJ IDEs not launching a separate Terminal.app window.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by OJFord »

leadingthenet wrote: post #104
smoldesu wrote: post #85

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> If you try to deviate at all, it becomes a fight. Exactly this. Linux scares people because many people are allergic to choice, and the concept of actually developing an opinion on something other than the sum of their total experience on MacOS. Linux is frustrating, because there are a lot of different places you can point to as underdeveloped, but only because you can see the entire thing. When something breaks o…

Beyond the choice vs lack of choice issue, Linux is also frustrating because it just lacks the high quality apps macOS has. Period. I use Arch btw.

I sort of simultaneously see that that's true, but also don't personally feel I'm missing anything except Fusion360.

But maybe that's just the extra motivation I need to use something else like FreeCAD or OpenSCAD with more git-able files anyway.

(I also use Arch btw.)

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by eikenberry »

ravenstine wrote: post #44
Naac wrote: post #13

It's just a "better integrated" virtual machine: "Lima launches Linux virtual machines on macOS" This might be a controversial opinion, but I find developers flocking to macOS really bewildering. As a developer, why do you want to fight your operating system to get basic things done? This Lima thing, docker running in a virtual machine, Apple being actively hostile with the default coreutils requiring you to layer mu…

Here's why I moved away from Linux to macOS: - I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. The file explorers are also a joke and frequently changing. - I've never booted to a black screen when upgrading macOS. - 99% of the work I do never needs anything that has to be virtualized under macOS. - Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as…

These sorts of lists always just sound like someone laundry list of personal preferences which have no bearing on what I would pick. Is is just a narcissistic tendency to think that one person's personal preferences are that generalize-able? Or is it more just the general love people have of talking about themselves?

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by zepto »

devmor wrote: post #129
officeplant wrote: post #99

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>It's the same reason you don't think about managing swap on Windows Except one of the first things I do on any Windows setup is to move the page file somewhere else or resize it.

Same here. It feels like the people going gung-ho for macbooks here are the type of people that would take their computer to best buy if they got a boot loop instead of just fixing it. Kind of incomprehensible to me that anyone in that mindset would be a developer.

> if they got a boot loop

I have literally never seen a boot loop on a Mac.

How would that even come about?

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by voidlogic »

ravenstine wrote: post #44
Naac wrote: post #13

It's just a "better integrated" virtual machine: "Lima launches Linux virtual machines on macOS" This might be a controversial opinion, but I find developers flocking to macOS really bewildering. As a developer, why do you want to fight your operating system to get basic things done? This Lima thing, docker running in a virtual machine, Apple being actively hostile with the default coreutils requiring you to layer mu…

Here's why I moved away from Linux to macOS: - I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. The file explorers are also a joke and frequently changing. - I've never booted to a black screen when upgrading macOS. - 99% of the work I do never needs anything that has to be virtualized under macOS. - Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as…

Most of your above list would be taken care just by sticking to Ubuntu on Thinkpads using gnome-session-flashback. Its basically a polished version of the same DE I have been using since 2004 and love... rock solid (not of the boot or HW issues you mentioned, etc). I spend like no time ever messing with it and its been that way since 2014, 2016?

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by zepto »

smoldesu wrote: post #84
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #31

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Apple clearly has evaluated Window Snapping and decided not to add it for whatever reason. Rumor has it Microsoft patented it.

That's untrue though, because Linux DEs have been doing 4-way snapping for decades now.

> That's untrue though, because Linux DEs have been doing 4-way snapping for decades now.

That doesn’t mean it’s not patented. It just means there’s nobody worth Microsoft suing.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by zepto »

smoldesu wrote: post #87
mixmastamyk wrote: post #37

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You can’t stop dozens of chatty network services, due to a read only system partition. Without defeating other security that is. That’s a poor design.

Poor design is leveraging a security model on an arbitrary and centralized root of trust, but maybe it's just a matter of perspective.

Yes, that is a poor design - no sarcasm - I mean it.

However it’s better for most people than the alternative.

Fixing this should be job #1 for the Linux community.

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