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Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by f6v »

Naac wrote: post #13

It's just a "better integrated" virtual machine: "Lima launches Linux virtual machines on macOS" This might be a controversial opinion, but I find developers flocking to macOS really bewildering. As a developer, why do you want to fight your operating system to get basic things done? This Lima thing, docker running in a virtual machine, Apple being actively hostile with the default coreutils requiring you to layer mu…

> As a developer, why do you want to fight your operating system to get basic things done?

I've been using Macs for development since 2013. I've done Android, Ruby on Rails, React, data science with Python and R. Apart from Docker, I don't remember "fighting" the system.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by jbverschoor »

smoldesu wrote: post #81
Toutouxc wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question, what's wrong with Finder? I use ForkLift for the heavy lifting (lol), but it works just fine for "navigate to file, open/move/delete file, sort by size/date, tag files, find files".

Finder still can't handle SFTP connections. In 2021. I feel like I'm going insane, or I've missed some sort of critical update, but no, it's just sitting there.

Well.. you’ll have to install an fs driver for that. Exactly like in Linux. Or just use mountainduck

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

#103

Post by aequitas »

ravenstine wrote: post #44
Naac wrote: post #13

It's just a "better integrated" virtual machine: "Lima launches Linux virtual machines on macOS" This might be a controversial opinion, but I find developers flocking to macOS really bewildering. As a developer, why do you want to fight your operating system to get basic things done? This Lima thing, docker running in a virtual machine, Apple being actively hostile with the default coreutils requiring you to layer mu…

Here's why I moved away from Linux to macOS: - I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. The file explorers are also a joke and frequently changing. - I've never booted to a black screen when upgrading macOS. - 99% of the work I do never needs anything that has to be virtualized under macOS. - Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as…

Dont' forget:

- Multi- and highres monitor support out of the box with proper scaling and readable fonts

- A package manager with up to date packages (granted there are Linuxbrew and things like Snap now for Linux.)

- Applications that have a consistent UI/UX and all use the same keyboard shortcuts

> All the customization doesn't offset the trouble that desktop Linux can bring.

It's nice you can customize almost everything on Linux, but most of the time I feel I must customize everything to get to a basic standard.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

#104

Post by leadingthenet »

smoldesu wrote: post #85
OJFord wrote: post #46

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Yabai is (also free, beer and speech) the best I found. I mainly use Linux, but I do try to keep my dotfiles agnostic, or have ~'equivalents' like i3 & yabai. MacOS is fine if you want to run with defaults and experience everything as Apple wants you to, and change that if they announce they want you to in the grand unveiling of the next version. If you try to deviate at all, it becomes a fight. Linux is sort of the…

> If you try to deviate at all, it becomes a fight. Exactly this. Linux scares people because many people are allergic to choice, and the concept of actually developing an opinion on something other than the sum of their total experience on MacOS. Linux is frustrating, because there are a lot of different places you can point to as underdeveloped, but only because you can see the entire thing. When something breaks o…

Beyond the choice vs lack of choice issue, Linux is also frustrating because it just lacks the high quality apps macOS has. Period.

I use Arch btw.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by f6v »

hyakosm wrote: post #65
vvanpo wrote: post #59

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There are many ways macOS improves over Linux desktops, but file explorers is not one of the arguments I would have made. Finder is practically unusable.

The Finder doesn't even allow me to middle-click to open a folder in a new tab, it's horrible. I miss KDE Dolphin.

I see what's wrong. I just don't have middle mouse button - problem solved.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

#106

Post by duskwuff »

smoldesu wrote: post #79
kergonath wrote: post #60

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Linux is more customisable, but macOS is much, much better out of the box. I use both every day for about the same amount of time, and macOS requires much less fighting to get the basics right (i.e. networking and Bluetooth just works, no need to tinker with X or Wayland, printing is much less problematic, OS updates are non-events, etc). I am happy to use Linux at work, but I would never put it on my main computer a…

Well, let's start with the places I take issue with: > OS updates are non-events Big Sur and Catalina have been the most disastrous updates in MacOS history. I'm not really sure why you'd choose now to highlight their notorious stability and ease of use. Ask any sysadmin who had a fleet of Macbooks during this update cycle: it was a nightmare and a half. Failing that, ask them about Catalina. They might run and hide…

> The ball is in Apple's court then. If they want to brag about being a real Unix system, the least they can do is ship modern Unix tools with their OS. Ironically, MacOS is the least compatible Unix system around.

macOS ships with BSD coreutils. It sounds like you prefer the GNU coreutils package, but that doesn't mean that the BSD tools aren't "real Unix", or that they're "less compatible".

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by jbverschoor »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #94
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #74

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Not that I'll say Linux filesystem managers are any real good (last one I liked I think was replaced by nautilus), but Finder is no great piece of software. It actively opposes me finding hidden folders and files. It intermingles folders and files, with (AFAIK) no way to to change it. It won't show to-the-byte files sizes (AFAIK). Cut and paste and moving files is annoying. It constantly forgets I want details and no…

Hidden file/folder visibility can be toggled with ⌘-Shift-. and zip files can be previewed with QuickLook after BetterZip is installed.

Didn’t know about the shortcut! Supernice

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

#108

Post by asdff »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #94
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I'll say Linux filesystem managers are any real good (last one I liked I think was replaced by nautilus), but Finder is no great piece of software. It actively opposes me finding hidden folders and files. It intermingles folders and files, with (AFAIK) no way to to change it. It won't show to-the-byte files sizes (AFAIK). Cut and paste and moving files is annoying. It constantly forgets I want details and no…

Hidden file/folder visibility can be toggled with ⌘-Shift-. and zip files can be previewed with QuickLook after BetterZip is installed.

macs also have unzip already installed so no need to install anything to see contents of zips

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

#109

Post by rovr138 »

ravenstine wrote: post #44
Naac wrote: post #13

It's just a "better integrated" virtual machine: "Lima launches Linux virtual machines on macOS" This might be a controversial opinion, but I find developers flocking to macOS really bewildering. As a developer, why do you want to fight your operating system to get basic things done? This Lima thing, docker running in a virtual machine, Apple being actively hostile with the default coreutils requiring you to layer mu…

Here's why I moved away from Linux to macOS: - I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. The file explorers are also a joke and frequently changing. - I've never booted to a black screen when upgrading macOS. - 99% of the work I do never needs anything that has to be virtualized under macOS. - Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as…

> - I've never booted to a black screen when upgrading macOS.

My wife got bit by the Big Sur bug, 2 weeks ago, were the installer doesn’t check if there’s enough disk space available before starting the upgrade.

Reached out Apple whom, had I not been next to her, wanted her to create a new volume on her disk and reinstall

Stopped her. Jumped in. Asked what the plan was and it was to format.

The initial question was if there was a way to recover the data.

I stopped the conversation and started searching.

Was working until midnight because everything I found basically said that you’re f’ed and lost all your data.

I was able to recover it.

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- Yes, she didn’t have a backup. But the installer also should do the minimum of checking if it can run.

- I have no idea how old the installer is, but if Apple can remove Zoom due to a security issue with a web server, they can do it with a bad installer of theirs (or at least blacklist it).

- Before giving steps that are destructive, they should have prefaced with it or at least warn that they’re SOL and need to reinstall and restore from a backup.

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It works the majority of the time, but honestly, this left a REALLY bad taste for me. If it wasn’t because we are basically in the ecosystem and that it usually works, I’d be looking around to others.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by gbear605 »

dreamer7 wrote: post #35
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #16

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Long time Linux user and also long time macos user. I've never had any problems getting "basic things done" on either platform. Except for Linux, which has inferior applications for most things.

Would you call tethering your Android phone via USB to your laptop a basic thing? Recently, I was having trouble with my phone's WiFi hotspot and tried to tether via USB. The only solution was Horndis, a 3rd party kernel extension. I quickly became knowledgeable about kexts and csrutil, rebuilt a kernel extension for M1 architecture and gave up after several hours of frustration. It's ridiculous that Apple can get aw…

That’s not an Apple problem, that’s an Android problem. The ball is in Google’s court there.
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