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Lets wait to see what the economic impacts of this fear culture brings, before announcing there are no casualties.
What would wearing a mask in relatively safe conditions add to the collective trauma of the past year?
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Lets wait to see what the economic impacts of this fear culture brings, before announcing there are no casualties.
You're being downvoted, but it's abundantly clear that at least some view masking as a moral or intellectual signal, and this "othering" is certain to have some impact, either personally or socially. Furthermore, just as many warned in the early days of the lockdowns that extended lockdown may induce unhealthy behavior—which is evidenced in significantly higher suicide, mental illness, drug abuse, and so on—there are…
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No. This American fascination with “health” is very odd. My grandparents in Bangladesh lived as long as the average life expectancy in the US today, and they’re not even remarkable. Once you have antibiotics and make it past child mortality, you’re very close to hitting diminishing returns.
A lot of the discussion of "health" in the US is actually coded conversation about physical attractiveness.
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Inefficacy of masks is a central point in anti-maskers message, and sometimes they would cite you the whole passages from official WHO/CDC advisories. And the belated reversal is just an additional point to "scientists don't know shit" attitude. No, yeah it did tremendous damage. While there'd certainly be anti maskers without anti-mask hysteria by authorities, the scale would not be the same. It's hard to quantify b…
"anti-mask hysteria by authorities"? People were having difficulty providing evidence that Fauci admitted to telling a white lie elsewhere in these comments, yet it's widely believed by certain people that he did so. There's a link to a factcheck in the comments that quotes what he actually said and it's not at all what many people in this thread seem to sincerely, but mistakenly, think he said. So allow me to doubt…
However back in spring 2020 when the official position amounted to "a mask is a facehugger", arguing for using masks (including by medical professionals) was effectively impossible.
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This is such a bullshit strawman. Most of my friends are family are very liberal. Most of them are already vaccinated. Not a single one of them wants to wear a mask unless absolutely necessary and everyone is ready for this to be over.
If they've been vaccinated and still insist on wearing the masks, I kinda think you're proving OP's point here. What do you even mean with "waiting for this to be over"? You're vaccinated, it's over, are you now waiting for a super-vaccine or something?
I find it interesting that the people who screamed "trust/listen to the CDC!" the loudest when the CDC's position was "everyone wear your mask and stay home as much as you can" are now the ones looking hardest for reasons to ignore/downplay/criticize the CDC's guidance.
On the other hand, I walked down the street last night without a mask and almost everyone I crossed paths with wasn't wearing one either. This would have been unthinkable yesterday.
I think it's worth noting that among the demographics that frequent this site there is ostensibly a deep distrust and skepticism of the American government on matters of surveillance, and law enforcement. Yet simultaneously there is ostensibly a high degree of trust in the motives and competency of the American government when it comes to COVID. There's been multiple threads lately, including one that is on the front…
As a European I'm quite surprised how deep the conspiracy theories and suspicions against the state go in the US. You don't need tp take everything at face value, but to be so suspicious of essential institutions like the CDC seems crazy to me. Except for a vocal but tiny minority there's a lot of trust in the institutions of the EU and (Western) Europe, where citizrns at most worry about incompetence, not malicious…
Its a thing :https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_trust_and_low_trust_soc...
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Your parents are making their own tradeoffs. People need to accept responsibility for the tradeoffs they choose.
Yes, I agree. The point is, how much does this new public health guidance depend on the assumption that people will accept the responsibility to either mask up or get vaccinated?
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That sure helped the trust to CDC.
Trust in the CDC and Fauci only really declined among Republican voters (and was still high). Sometimes, certain people being told not to trust you is a sign you're doing the right thing.
I’m a Democrat; my circle is mostly Democrats. We also knew last year in February and March that we wanted masks.
So trust that Fauci meant well? Yes. He was in an extremely difficult position and in a position of policy advisor.
But trudt that masks were ineffective for the average person? Absolutely not.
It’s a contradiction that masks are effective for frontlines, yet somehow without reason or usefulness for everyone else.
So if it didn’t decline, perphaps it’s more accurate to say that there was only ever a certain type of trust to begin with.
And the past 12 months have borne out that suspicion.
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Not sure why the rest of us should be required to continue to change our lives because of your parents (unfortunately) unfounded, anti-scientific personal views?
That’s fair, my point is just that it’s a valid source of anxiety. And it’s not just my own parents. Like 30% of the US seems like they are not going to get a vaccine any time soon, and I worry that the guidance critically depends on the assumption that unvaccinated people will still mask up and distance. I don’t think it’s a very good assumption (would love to be proven wrong), and I don’t know what that means for t…