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Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by Markoff »

ambrose2 wrote: post #330
anonymouse008 wrote: post #312

Can anyone offer guidance to one who has recovered from the actual Covid infection why they would receive the vaccine? Edit: This recent caveat included Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27125728

Some studies have shown immunity from infection may only last several weeks in some individuals, whereas vaccination has been shown to last much longer and more reliably.

this is completely unfounded comment

there are varous studies showing most of the infected people have immunity at least for 7-8 months, while we don't have any studies about how long last immunity after vaccination, for what's worth it can last less than immunity from infection

yet people are shouting vaccine good, get it, get immunity and completely ignore the fact we should measure antibodies of vaccinated people while same people will shout oh if you were infected you are immune only for short time, I mean if you work for pharma lobby I can understand it, but are people really that trusting to pharma lobby, I remember also talking with doctors long before COVID how long last vaccination effect, they will tell you easily twice as long time as pharma company selling the vaccines, the reasons are obvious

Study from Italy - only 3 out of 162 symptomatic infected didn't have antibodies after 8 months https://www.thelocal.it/20210511/covid-antibodies-last-8-mon...

Study from England - antibodies persist for minimum 7 months https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/previous...

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by redisman »

void_mint wrote: post #317
908B64B197 wrote: post #20

On the west coast now more than one third of the population is fully vaccinated (excluding BC that is severely lagging behind). How long until coastal and urban counties reach 95%?

> How long until coastal and urban counties reach 95%? Literally never. I am hoping for 60%.

Seattle is already mostly above 60%, up to 87% https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/vaccinatio...

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Post by skocznymroczny »

_dw7s wrote: post #371

Got some karma to burn so here goes: I disagree with this and the reasons are below. - it is inconsistent and imprecise. Which vaccine? There are a couple of variants now, vaccines have different levels of protection against different variants and the jury is still out on some new up-and-coming things coming out of India. It also makes you ask a couple of questions. Why should you wear the mask when using public tran…

> This type of thing has the same smell like the initial mask guideline which was intended to protect the supply of PPE.

Is there any proof the initial mask guideline was intended to do that? I feel like the initial mask guideline really was what it was, and later they added the "yeah, we knew masks work, but we wanted to protect supply" to save face.

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Post by bourgwaletariat »

Okay dang, here's what I'm curious about. People walking around without a mask. How are they going to know who is vaccinated and who isn't? Say someone who isn't vaccinated is walking around without a mask. What is the officer's reasonable suspicion to stop them and ask for ID or ask for "papers?"

How will this be enforced? How are they going to stop all the non-vaccinated people from walking around without a mask?

Are they just wagging the dog with this because Fauci's in the hot seat?

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

livinginfear wrote: post #221

I think it's worth noting that among the demographics that frequent this site there is ostensibly a deep distrust and skepticism of the American government on matters of surveillance, and law enforcement. Yet simultaneously there is ostensibly a high degree of trust in the motives and competency of the American government when it comes to COVID. There's been multiple threads lately, including one that is on the front…

I've been following the CDC's messaging since the start of covid. They edited the same URL without info that there were updates or informing the public. The case numbers posted in Q1/Q2 of 2020 were an absolute mess which IMO missed out on an opportunity to instill trust in the public. Previous administration's anti-science stand might have contributed to that.

I'd imagine people aren't just being "stupid" when they decide not to trust these institutions but are simply cynical knowing the process can be hi-jacked by politics (regardless what side) every 4 years, and hardly any continuity due to the deep polarization. It doesn't make people trust in institutions when its core mission can be put upside down simply because a new administration comes to power.

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Post by sharken »

johnchristopher wrote: post #439
herbst wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our Swiss virus guy too told this 'lie' in the beginning, a few months later he explained that this was wrong and the only reason he said masks are not necessary was because there weren't enough and private people were already stockpiling it anyway. So people wore masks and life went on. I still don't understand why sooooo many countries can't be more honest about these things

In Belgium, basically the same thing happened but at the same time they also said covid was just a flu. So, a lot of trust lost. Now I suspect them to do the same with the astrazeneca stock they have to liquidate. Headlines this week said the indian variant is going to be the major one in Belgium.

In Denmark there were news stories about the real name of the AZ vaccine, just about the same time the bloodclot issue appeared.

I don't know anyone who uses the name Vaxzevria instead of the Astra Zeneca vaccine or just AZ.

The UK is about to open up fully in June but is now worried about the Indian variant (B.1.617).

Even though we in Denmark back in january was informed by health authorities that the English variant (B.1.1.7) was very worrying.

Truth is there will always be another variant, just look at this overview.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

The trust in health authorities have been reduced greatly and have been replaced with mistrust to politicians motives, I'm sad to say.

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Post by kelnos »

Simulacra wrote: post #251
livinginfear wrote: post #221

I think it's worth noting that among the demographics that frequent this site there is ostensibly a deep distrust and skepticism of the American government on matters of surveillance, and law enforcement. Yet simultaneously there is ostensibly a high degree of trust in the motives and competency of the American government when it comes to COVID. There's been multiple threads lately, including one that is on the front…

As the Atlantic noted recently [0] there are many who see masks and safety measures due to COVID as part of their political identity. Likes guns to some, the masks, more critically the forcing of others to wear masks and abide by certain precautions, has become a weapon in politics. My distrust of the masks, and friction at being forced to wear one, really comes from that distrust of those who are forcing me; they ar…

First off, you didn't link this supposed article that claims what you're arguing.

But I just don't believe it. If the Atlantic published that, they sought out the small minority of people who believe that in order to make waves.

Wearing a mask is not a political statement. It is just a prudent measure you can take to help protect yourself and -- often more importantly -- others. It isn't a guarantee that you won't get (or give someone) COVID, but it can help, when combined with other things like social distancing.

It's funny, because my perception is the opposite of yours: that people who refuse to wear masks have turned that into a political identity. That somehow refusing to wear a mask is the patriotic, freedom-loving thing to do. When the fact is that they're just selfish, and view that refusal as marking themselves as part of a tribe.

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Post by kewrkewm53 »

herbst wrote: post #389
andreilys wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CDC/surgeon general recommended not wearing masks at the beginning of the pandemic, while Silicon Valley was way ahead of the curve (meanwhile hit pieces were posted by journalists with an axe to grind saying they we’re overreacting). So yes it has lost its credibility.

Our Swiss virus guy too told this 'lie' in the beginning, a few months later he explained that this was wrong and the only reason he said masks are not necessary was because there weren't enough and private people were already stockpiling it anyway. So people wore masks and life went on. I still don't understand why sooooo many countries can't be more honest about these things

Same thing here in Finland, in early months of the epidemics health officials said wearing masks has no benefit.

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Post by antiterra »

Simulacra wrote: post #251
livinginfear wrote: post #221

I think it's worth noting that among the demographics that frequent this site there is ostensibly a deep distrust and skepticism of the American government on matters of surveillance, and law enforcement. Yet simultaneously there is ostensibly a high degree of trust in the motives and competency of the American government when it comes to COVID. There's been multiple threads lately, including one that is on the front…

As the Atlantic noted recently [0] there are many who see masks and safety measures due to COVID as part of their political identity. Likes guns to some, the masks, more critically the forcing of others to wear masks and abide by certain precautions, has become a weapon in politics. My distrust of the masks, and friction at being forced to wear one, really comes from that distrust of those who are forcing me; they ar…

Decades ago, I heard similar arguments against restricting smoking in restaurants or public areas. To smoking proponents, smoking in line at the drug store was basically a constitutional right, and if you didn’t like cigarette smoke, just don’t smoke. It didn’t register that filling the air with cigarette smoke could encroach on the liberty of others.
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