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Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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For some people the goalposts are moving faster than the speed of light. The goal was to flatten the curve. Remember that? Flatten. The. Curve. Is the curve not flat? How much flatter do you want it to be before returning to normal life? Do you want literally 0.000% risk?

There is a worryingly large constituency, mostly on Twitter, who believe that any unjust death at all is damning evidence that all of our institutions and economic systems must be destroyed and rebuilt. Of course unjust death is tragic, but it's not an excuse to throw out all of society and start over again. I think many of these people saw mask mandates as that "rebuilding society" step, and to get rid of it so quickly (despite it being like a year) is evidence that the state "learned nothing", so to say. I even saw someone say something like "I can't believe the anti-maskers won" which so succinctly ties up the stupid reality of our political atmosphere: you can't do anything, anything at all without it being seen as a goal attempt into the other side's net.

I really do believe that a large amount of people do want 0.000% risk, and they'd be happy to wear masks until 2030 to guarantee it.

As for myself, I'm fully vaccinated but will continue to wear masks to make other people feel comfortable. But even before being vaccinated I didn't care too much if people wore masks around me and I certainly won't care now.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Can anyone offer guidance to one who has recovered from the actual Covid infection why they would receive the vaccine?

Edit: This recent caveat included

Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27125728

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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For some people the goalposts are moving faster than the speed of light. The goal was to flatten the curve. Remember that? Flatten. The. Curve. Is the curve not flat? How much flatter do you want it to be before returning to normal life? Do you want literally 0.000% risk?

Yes, I want the virus eliminated.

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How is this not the top story on every single news aggregator in the world right now? This is like the BEST news since the vaccines were approved. This is a HUGE deal. Great job, CDC!

Because masks haven been politicized. Good news be damned.

Hopefully they're careful with vaccines. There are people who don't like being told what to do and will ignore the government out of spite (mostly rural Republicans and libertarians). Doubling down on telling people they have to get vaccinated won't work for the same reason. Not that this is telling people what to do; you just have to be careful with policy so it doesn't backfire.

Biden appointing Fauci as his chief medical advisor was a mistake because Fauci has been politicized. Democrats will get the shot regardless, so finding a new face would have sent a signal to Republicans.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a lot of people and organizations say "trust the scientists", it seems what they actually mean/do is "trust the scientists when they say we need tighter restrictions, but ignore the scientists when they say we can loosen restrictions".

A handful of people on the internet do not make the vast majority of people or organizations. Look at the messaging coming from the President today, in line with the CDC. WA state is set to be fully open by June 30th at the latest based on current trends combined with the CDC guidance.

I meant people in positions of power who make rules that other people have to follow, more so than random people on the Internet just giving their opinions. For example, I predict it will take a lot longer for mask mandates to go away than it did for them to appear when the CDC first said so.

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I think it's worth noting that among the demographics that frequent this site there is ostensibly a deep distrust and skepticism of the American government on matters of surveillance, and law enforcement. Yet simultaneously there is ostensibly a high degree of trust in the motives and competency of the American government when it comes to COVID. There's been multiple threads lately, including one that is on the front…

As the Atlantic noted recently [0] there are many who see masks and safety measures due to COVID as part of their political identity. Likes guns to some, the masks, more critically the forcing of others to wear masks and abide by certain precautions, has become a weapon in politics. My distrust of the masks, and friction at being forced to wear one, really comes from that distrust of those who are forcing me; they ar…

With that logic, the compulsion to send your kids to school in the USA is on shaky ground.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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On the west coast now more than one third of the population is fully vaccinated (excluding BC that is severely lagging behind). How long until coastal and urban counties reach 95%?

> How long until coastal and urban counties reach 95%?

Literally never. I am hoping for 60%.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. This American fascination with “health” is very odd. My grandparents in Bangladesh lived as long as the average life expectancy in the US today, and they’re not even remarkable. Once you have antibiotics and make it past child mortality, you’re very close to hitting diminishing returns.

and make it past child mortality That's the hard part in less developed countries. In 1960 Bangladesh had a child mortality rate of almost 30%. At that time the US was under 3%. Even today with antibiotics etc., Bangladesh is about 5x higher than the US. I'm honestly not sure what you mean by America's fascination with health: I'm an American, so it of course would seem normal to me. But whatever we're doing, Banglad…

I mean all the exercising and fretting about “clean food” versus “processed food,” pollution, etc. We don’t do all that.

The difference in child mortality obviously isn’t about “healthy living”—its access to clean water, basic prenatal care and post-delivery care, etc. The difference in life expectancy between Bangladesh and the US at age 60 is just 4 years.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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For some people the goalposts are moving faster than the speed of light. The goal was to flatten the curve. Remember that? Flatten. The. Curve. Is the curve not flat? How much flatter do you want it to be before returning to normal life? Do you want literally 0.000% risk?

Yes, I want the virus eliminated.

This is completely unreasonable. We've never been able to eradicate any disease that affects humans other than smallpox, and not for lack of trying.
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