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Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by TimothyBJacobs »

listless wrote: post #108
generj wrote: post #3

It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?

Yes, but the important thing is that the vaccine is available. They chose not to take it. The argument that we need to keep each other safe no longer holds.

That assumes that the vaccine is 100% effective, and that everyone who is at risk can safely take the vaccine. Neither of those are true.

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Post by josephcsible »

torgian wrote: post #113

I'm not sure this is a good approach. I'm guessing part of this declaration is due to many American's approach with masks (they took my freedums!) I'm not sure if there's enough data out there showing that vaccinated people cannot pass the virus to others. It's possible you can catch it and still pass it, I'm thinking. For me, I'll continue wearing a mask in public.

> I'm not sure if there's enough data out there showing that vaccinated people cannot pass the virus to others. It's possible you can catch it and still pass it, I'm thinking.

There's been plenty of data that shows this. That's why they did this. How much more data do you want?

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Post by robbrown451 »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #57

Is living the healthiest life you can live not the best option in every circumstance? It seems society as a whole wants a quick fix, no matter what the problem is or the consequences from a cure.

Sure. And living the healthiest life can include getting vaccinated and wearing a mask.

Are you suggesting we just eat good foods and exercise, and that alone will protect us from dying from COVID?

I can see an argument that lockdown has had consequences. Mask wearing too, but to a lessor degree.

But the vaccine? I'm not seeing serious consequences other than the cost to get it out there. Seems like a win-win, once it exists. Is there something I'm missing?

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by dgfitz »

thepasswordis wrote: post #71

How is this not the top story on every single news aggregator in the world right now? This is like the BEST news since the vaccines were approved. This is a HUGE deal. Great job, CDC!

Because masks haven been politicized. Good news be damned.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by quickthrowman »

TimothyBJacobs wrote: post #121
listless wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but the important thing is that the vaccine is available. They chose not to take it. The argument that we need to keep each other safe no longer holds.

That assumes that the vaccine is 100% effective, and that everyone who is at risk can safely take the vaccine. Neither of those are true.

Neither of them need to be true for a critical mass of vaccinated people to demand for restrictions to be rescinded. Eventually politicians will realize they need to get re-elected and cave to pressure. It will happen, especially with this new guidance from the CDC. I would bet there are no state wide mask mandates by Jan 1, 2022.

Edit: Minnesota will be ending their mask mandate tomorrow.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by tacon »

listless wrote: post #108
generj wrote: post #3

It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?

Yes, but the important thing is that the vaccine is available. They chose not to take it. The argument that we need to keep each other safe no longer holds.

As long as we still bend the curve to not overwhelm the hospital system. Even vaccinated, I may need an ICU bed from a car accident or a heart attack.

I wish there was data on fully vaccinated people being able to spread infection to others, but that won't be available for a long time.

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Post by waiseristy »

listless wrote: post #108
generj wrote: post #3

It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?

Yes, but the important thing is that the vaccine is available. They chose not to take it. The argument that we need to keep each other safe no longer holds.

This right here is the argument, and has been since February 2020. We got a little lost along the way, but our original social measures to reduce the spread of COVID was due to our inability to protect those who couldn't protect themselves. Now that we have the vaccines, we have no moral reason to now baby the people who refuse to protect themselves.

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Post by [deleted] »

anthonygd wrote: post #35
noodlesUK wrote: post #6

I’ve been in the US throughout this pandemic, and I’ve had to take it extremely seriously because of vulnerable people I live with. I’m glad to be vaccinated and for my life (and my family’s) to be returning to normal. I expect that I’ll continue wearing a mask from time to time even years from now if it becomes socially acceptable, because I like both the anonymity, and the wonders it does for my seasonal allergies.…

The problem you're describing is real and something that needs to be resolved. I'm assuming six months ago you would have told someone to wear a mask because that's what science says. Now you're ignoring the science to make a statement. Was it lip-service and posturing 6 months ago or is it now? Do you value science or not? You're telling the anti-mask/anti-vax people that yes it really was just bullshit and it was n…

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Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by daenz »

ineedasername wrote: post #120
daenz wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devil's advocate: people who say "trust the science/scientists" should do so even when they themselves disagree. I don't know your position, but I have seen similar responses to yours from people who I know have taken the position of "trust the scientists." Don't you think that the smart folks at the CDC have gone through a similar thought process as you and are issuing these guidelines regardless? Why would we not t…

I have no problem with the CDC's guidance. I'm saying that I don't see a practical method for businesses to operate in accordance with that guidance.

The lack of specifics also gives us a lot of information. It says "do your best to enforce, but it is not critical if everyone doesn't adhere 100%." If it was critical, they wouldn't have issued these guidelines, or the guidelines would have come with other specifics like you mention with passports.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by 2trill2spill »

sjg007 wrote: post #60

I'm curious to how the math works... Basically they are willing to let covid explode among the unvaccinated which presumably won't impact those that can't get vaccinated (i.e. young kids I'm also gonna guess that the people who have gotten vaccinated basically have always worn masks and the unvaccinated never have unless forced. That explains my town.

12 - 15 years olds can now get the Pfizer vaccine in the United States[1]. That should help a lot.

[1]: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/05/fda-authorizes-pfize...

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