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Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by waiseristy »

ineedasername wrote: post #91

I don't really understand how places looking to align their precautions with CDC guidelines can do this. We don't have any required vaccination "passport", so if a movie theatre says vaccinated customers don't have to wear masks, how can they possibly tell who is vaccinated without relying on a dubious honor system?

I think this is the part where we have to just "let people be adults". We're at the point now where those who are at risk for COVID complications should have access to a vaccine which will greatly reduce that risk. For the rest of the population, it's on you if you want to go to a crowded movie theater without a vaccination.

"If he dies, he dies"

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by daenz »

ineedasername wrote: post #91

I don't really understand how places looking to align their precautions with CDC guidelines can do this. We don't have any required vaccination "passport", so if a movie theatre says vaccinated customers don't have to wear masks, how can they possibly tell who is vaccinated without relying on a dubious honor system?

Devil's advocate: people who say "trust the science/scientists" should do so even when they themselves disagree.

I don't know your position, but I have seen similar responses to yours from people who I know have taken the position of "trust the scientists." Don't you think that the smart folks at the CDC have gone through a similar thought process as you and are issuing these guidelines regardless? Why would we not trust their judgement now?

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by torgian »

I'm not sure this is a good approach. I'm guessing part of this declaration is due to many American's approach with masks (they took my freedums!)

I'm not sure if there's enough data out there showing that vaccinated people cannot pass the virus to others. It's possible you can catch it and still pass it, I'm thinking.

For me, I'll continue wearing a mask in public.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by listless »

waiseristy wrote: post #111
ineedasername wrote: post #91

I don't really understand how places looking to align their precautions with CDC guidelines can do this. We don't have any required vaccination "passport", so if a movie theatre says vaccinated customers don't have to wear masks, how can they possibly tell who is vaccinated without relying on a dubious honor system?

I think this is the part where we have to just "let people be adults". We're at the point now where those who are at risk for COVID complications should have access to a vaccine which will greatly reduce that risk. For the rest of the population, it's on you if you want to go to a crowded movie theater without a vaccination. "If he dies, he dies"

I want to print this out and nominate it for a Pulitzer

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by wyldfire »

ryandrake wrote: post #68
jwilber wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely this is satire.

I really hope it was satire but I can’t tell anymore. If not, I guess now we add “dehumanization” to the list of horrible effects of wearing a little piece of cloth on your face. I really don’t get why so many people are willing to die on this particular silly hill.

I don't have super strong passions here. But reverting to fashion norms seems pretty appropriate, once it's safe. If it's not safe now, when would it be?

People do take a lot of cues from facial expressions and at least in "the West" we rarely wear face coverings. So there's definitely some (mild?) cost to wearing the mask, too.

I will say this, though -- organizations that insist on compelling others to wear masks outdoors are terribly misguided.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by ineedasername »

sacomo wrote: post #22
weezin wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what is an appropriate amount of cases to go back to normal?

Personally I will keep wearing a mask around other people until we eradicate it or find a 100% preventive vaccine. So decades for me.

Considering the vaccine now makes it less likely to die from Covid if infected than the flu, were you wearing a mask for decades before Covid too?

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Post by williamstein »

ibejoeb wrote: post #83
smbullet wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America has an enormous obesity problem which contributes to a significant number of Covid fatalities. When we tell Americans to get healthy it's mostly targeted towards those people.

I agree with you entirely that there's an obesity problem. When it comes to covid deaths, though, the CDC report this week says that the vast majority--about 46%--are coinfections with flu. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm https://i.ibb.co/zscjxb6/Screenshot-2021-05-13-23-04-11.png

Interesting. I followed your references and they say that the 46% comorbidity is "Influenza or Pneumonia". Covid is a cause of pneumonia (=infection of lungs), so your statement "46% are coinfections with flu" seems misleading to me.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by josephcsible »

jasonlaramburu wrote: post #34
Miner49er wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some see downsides. There's a reason that in many places in the US it was illegal to wear a mask in public before COVID happened. Most of the time it is to prevent potential law breakers from being anonymous, I think. I don't support it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it comes back someday.

It seems pretty unlikely that someone who is already willing to commit a violent crime would care whether or not he violates a mask law.

The point isn't whether you're willing to violate an extra law. It's that pre-COVID, if someone walked towards a bank wearing a mask, they're going to get noticed and attract attention well before they start committing their violent crime, increasing the chance that they're caught.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by ineedasername »

daenz wrote: post #112
ineedasername wrote: post #91

I don't really understand how places looking to align their precautions with CDC guidelines can do this. We don't have any required vaccination "passport", so if a movie theatre says vaccinated customers don't have to wear masks, how can they possibly tell who is vaccinated without relying on a dubious honor system?

Devil's advocate: people who say "trust the science/scientists" should do so even when they themselves disagree. I don't know your position, but I have seen similar responses to yours from people who I know have taken the position of "trust the scientists." Don't you think that the smart folks at the CDC have gone through a similar thought process as you and are issuing these guidelines regardless? Why would we not t…

I have no problem with the CDC's guidance. I'm saying that I don't see a practical method for businesses to operate in accordance with that guidance.
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