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Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Unfortunately that's not how the current setup works. The most successful the gambler is, the more of other's people they get to gamble. He's at that point where he could never be right again and it'd never personally affect him. I mean if Tesla goes to 100 tomorrow morning, who gets hurt more? Elon or instructional investors that are supposed to be funding things like pensions?

Assume Tesla stock fell to 100. Well I bought mt stock at 189 pre-split, so the share I bought at 189 are still worth 500. It is the day traders who get hurt, but the people in it for the long haul are still doing fine. I always get a laugh for the people trying to scare people that Tesla stock will fall while not realizing a lot of the early purchaser will still make a profit even it the stock tanks big.

I don't think I've ever seen someone fail to grasp a point so confidently?

Or maybe you don't know what an institutional investor is? Because you're not an instructional investor...

The comment is saying even if Tesla goes to 100, it doesn't matter to Elon. It's not saying Tesla is going to 100. 100 is an arbitrary number representing a steep drop. It's not about what an "early purchaser" holding peanuts compared to any instructional investor is holding.

It's saying the standard of living of the guy worth 154 Billion isn't going to change because Tesla stock goes up or down. His entire Tesla stake could go to 0 tomorrow morning and he'd still be worth enough for it not to matter to his life past maybe some vanity issues.

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No comment on how smart or stupid Elon is (he is somehow effective ), but I'm with you on all of those things except "He thinks it's easier to make Mars habitable than it is to keep the Earth habitable": The concept of having humans on another planetary body makes a lot of sense as a backup-plan for humanity. The Drake equation be damned - in case we're actually alone, we have a pretty strong moral requirement to mak…

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Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Very perplexing behavior from Musk, I must say. Bitcoin's energy consumption has been front-and-center for a few years now and even more so when the bull market got hot. How does Musk decide to throw $1.5 billion worth of Tesla's cash into BTC without acknowledging this? I was expecting a little bit more due-diligence from him, but he's been absolutely consumed by crypto markets in general.

Cus he's not that bright. Isn't this the elephant in the room that no one wants to consider? Why do we have to start with the assumption that Musk is a genius, then work back from that? The dude thought covid would go away last May. He thinks it's easier to make Mars habitable than it is to keep the Earth habitable. He's thought that full self driving was 6 months away for literally 4 years now. And he didn't really…

>He thinks it's easier to make Mars habitable than it is to keep the Earth habitable.

It probably is easier to survive long term on Mars than Earth because Mars has a very thin atmosphere. Earth could pull a Venus. Earth life on Mars requires underground small sealed compartments with radiation shielding which is a more survivable architecture than one big shared ecosystem.

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My take: this was calculated. Notice an opportunity for easy money and get into Bitcoin under the pretense of selling cars for it, then pull out "temporarily" citing environmental reasons. They are now in a comfortable position to hold onto it for how long they might want to, without getting too many questions why a car maker is speculating with crypto coins. If they might need cash (or have to pretty up the quarterl…

I find it unbelievable that he would use a public company for this kind of speculation. It is grossly irresponsible.

Grossly irresponsible? Sure. Unbelievable? Not to anyone who's ever seen a Musk tweet.

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Cus he's not that bright. Isn't this the elephant in the room that no one wants to consider? Why do we have to start with the assumption that Musk is a genius, then work back from that? The dude thought covid would go away last May. He thinks it's easier to make Mars habitable than it is to keep the Earth habitable. He's thought that full self driving was 6 months away for literally 4 years now. And he didn't really…

SpaceX wins lots of space contracts with the help of Musk's "Occupy Mars" marketing. Tesla sells lots of cars on the promise of self-driving in the marketing. Musk bought BTC, single-handedly pumped the price of BTC, and then sold at a huge profit. I don't think he's a genius but Musk is definitely not stupid. He's just not playing the obvious game you think he's playing.

> and then sold at a huge profit

Are you sure he has sold?

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>Musk bought BTC, single-handedly pumped the price of BTC, and then sold at a huge profit. Doesn't this have legal ramifications when done in the stock market? If it is shady for that market, why is it acceptable in other markets? Oh, right, they're not regulated.

Cryptocurrency is almost completely unregulated, so no there are not likely to be ramifications. It's anarchy and just about anything goes. Buyer beware. Also I didn't get the sense that Musk single-handedly pumped BTC. He jumped on the bandwagon about mid-way through the current pump. I am still foggy on what kicked off the current bull run.

The daily volume of BTC is above 50 billion. The cap is over a trillion. This is not a fundamental movement but a value based / perception one.

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Sure, but I thought there could be no more greater fools in 2013, and again in 2017. It is shocking how many fools exist.

In 2017/18 the "smart" money was early into ICOs and the "fools" are just getting into those over the past year. Meanwhile the "smart" money has moved on to DeFi and all that nonsense - DeX, yield farming (ponzi scheming), flash loans, etc. The next cycle you'll see smart money move onto something else, and they'll have figured out how to repackage DeFi to the average fool, which will come with greater linkages to th…

> yield farming (ponzi scheming)

There are a lot of ponzi scehemes in cryptocurrency markets, but you will have to expand on why you think yield farming is one of them.

The typical yield farming scenario is that users provide liquidity to AMM pools in exchange for LP tokens and accumulate trading fees on the pair while they HODL. The LP tokens themselves can often be staked on the DEX in exchange for governance tokens on that DEX (which may have other utility on the DEX as well).

Where is the ponzi scheme in this scenario?

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Very perplexing behavior from Musk, I must say. Bitcoin's energy consumption has been front-and-center for a few years now and even more so when the bull market got hot. How does Musk decide to throw $1.5 billion worth of Tesla's cash into BTC without acknowledging this? I was expecting a little bit more due-diligence from him, but he's been absolutely consumed by crypto markets in general.

My theory is that he realized how many people he ruined with the SNL / hustle bit when doge coin dropped and he is trying to get out of it. Probably something he should of considered ahead of time, the music was always going to stop. The space x satellite was his attempt to right it but now he wants to get out and focus on his core work. That or his board of directors threatened to pitch him if he did not get out.

That doesn’t fit given he is still pumping Doge since his announcement about BTC.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1392974251011895300?s=21 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1392030108274159619?s=21

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Very perplexing behavior from Musk, I must say. Bitcoin's energy consumption has been front-and-center for a few years now and even more so when the bull market got hot. How does Musk decide to throw $1.5 billion worth of Tesla's cash into BTC without acknowledging this? I was expecting a little bit more due-diligence from him, but he's been absolutely consumed by crypto markets in general.

Probably for the same reason he tweets about doge. IMO he's pointing out how absurd and dangerous the crypto market is. Cryptocurrency needs regulation and controls before it does significant damage. The manipulators are having a field day right now.
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