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$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Tesla might not have dumped. But I'd be very interested to see Musk's personal trading accounts, and the trading accounts of his close associates.

It is incredibly hard to imagine that the upside in Musk's personal Bitcoin stake, whatever it is, is anywhere close to approaching his personal stake in Tesla. Something like 70% of his net worth is Tesla stock. It would be unbelievably stupid to jeopardize the value of the Tesla stock to pump up the value of his Bitcoin holdings. Some of these anti-Musk conspiracy theories are truly crazy especially considering the…

Sure, his net-worth might be higher if this "tesla dabbling with bitcoin" never happened... but he made those tweets anyway, and any effects on tesla stock happened.

Maybe there was no master plan, but it would be a lot better for his personal net-worth if he went long/short on bitcoin before each tweet.

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How long until he figures out that DOGE also wastes energy?

or that electric cars do not actually have zero carbon footprint while we're at it, don't rockets pollute too

No one suggest they have. As long as they have less than an device that does the same task but uses gas then it reduces emissions.

Rockets as well, they pollute but making them reusable pollutes less. Also depending on fuel type its perfectly possible to produce it form solar energy.

But DOGE just burns energy it does nothing with it that could not be done without. Its significantly less then Buttcoin but it explodes with popularity as well. And every energy wasted is too much in the end.

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Elon is a gambler on a hot streak. He keeps making big bets that pay off, but the luck to cunning ratio is dangerously high. Some day the shoe is going to go cold and he's going to be fucked. He'll drop off the richest people list faster than he climbed it (which was too fast).

Unfortunately that's not how the current setup works. The most successful the gambler is, the more of other's people they get to gamble. He's at that point where he could never be right again and it'd never personally affect him. I mean if Tesla goes to 100 tomorrow morning, who gets hurt more? Elon or instructional investors that are supposed to be funding things like pensions?

He has a track record of using all of his assets to save one. It worked before, so he will try it again, until it doesn't.

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My hot-take having watched the culling from an invested position follows. Disclaimer: i hold both BTC and ETH. While the market in general is down, the major losses in this crash were Bitcoin, Doge and Shiba. Bitcoin is an obvious result given the news. Doge and Shiba have had pretty spectacular gains over the last ~30d and seeing them lose considerable value is unsurprising if you follow crypto markets much. Seeming…

It's fascinating watching the narratives unfold and affecting the price. Bitcoin is the bad guy today, until bitcoin holders just buy up the new liquidity and it starts going up again. Then the narrative will change again.

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How is this a pump and dump? They never dumped. It is certainly stupidity from Musk, but I don't know why you are implying maliciousness when they are still holding Bitcoin and therefore they are equally hurt by this drop in value.

Tesla might not have dumped. But I'd be very interested to see Musk's personal trading accounts, and the trading accounts of his close associates.

They did dump at least 10%: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-26/tesla-bea...

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The crypto market is so big now that it's hard to imagine enough new money to make prices go up anymore. How does anyone justify these obscure tokens and coins being worth billions.

> How does anyone justify these obscure tokens and coins being worth billions. The Greater Fool Theory. This stops working when you run out of fools, but the notion of "there's another sucker born every minute" probably keeps the ball rolling for a while.

Sure, but I thought there could be no more greater fools in 2013, and again in 2017.

It is shocking how many fools exist.

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Tesla might not have dumped. But I'd be very interested to see Musk's personal trading accounts, and the trading accounts of his close associates.

Or better yet, did they move into Dogecoin, which apparently uses a lot less energy. Setting up the inevitable 'use Doge instead, it's better for the environment'

Doesn't matter: considering that all cryptocurrencies have significant environmental impact, using them would force ESG-screening funds to drop the company.

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It’s almost like crypto has very little actual value outside of speculation...

There is yet a killer use case, but AI is coming so just hang on a hot minute. Well be above 100k in six months. Machine learning APIs and Lighting payments are a match made in heaven.

I'll bite. What do you mean?

Any Mathcoin (or any trade) is an exchange based on energy spent (not including Mathcoins insane transaction cost). It's an abstraction from someone mining for materiel from the ground and trading. An energy cost is involved.

What's the killer use case? I can just as easily purchase wine, art, or goods which appreciate and will indefinitely hold a non zero value, even if civilisation comes to a halt, someone wealthier than me will want to get drunk.

If the use case is a fungible, I'm good. If I want to do illegal stuff, I can just as easily launder those goods the same way.

p.s. if you buy expensive wine in restaurants, thanks.

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Very perplexing behavior from Musk, I must say. Bitcoin's energy consumption has been front-and-center for a few years now and even more so when the bull market got hot. How does Musk decide to throw $1.5 billion worth of Tesla's cash into BTC without acknowledging this? I was expecting a little bit more due-diligence from him, but he's been absolutely consumed by crypto markets in general.

I don't think it has anything to do with energy or the environment. I think Elon Musk distancing himself from Bitcoin is a consequence of the recent spat of highly publicized ransomware attacks using bitcoin. Elon Musk is connected to the military-industrial complex; it is plausible the federal government has given him forewarning of an impending war on crypto currencies, to make sure their asset, the guy who launche…

Yeah, this is more plausible. I think it’s multiple factors simultaneously including the bad PR from the environmental footprint. And it’s kind of funny because Musk has never been a full throated promoter of cryptocurrency ever. Social media is full of people pumping crypto and yet Musk has regularly made technically-accurate skeptical comments about bitcoin or similar cryptocurrency.

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Very perplexing behavior from Musk, I must say. Bitcoin's energy consumption has been front-and-center for a few years now and even more so when the bull market got hot. How does Musk decide to throw $1.5 billion worth of Tesla's cash into BTC without acknowledging this? I was expecting a little bit more due-diligence from him, but he's been absolutely consumed by crypto markets in general.

It’s only perplexing if you assume he knows all that you know. Musk appears to be a fantastically competent salesman and decent rocket scientist, but we shouldn’t expect him to have the Midas touch on other fields of competence. And while Musk ought to employ people to warn him about all the issues he now cites as why he changed policy, remember that he did start The Boring Company in response to getting stuck in a t…

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