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$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Very perplexing behavior from Musk, I must say. Bitcoin's energy consumption has been front-and-center for a few years now and even more so when the bull market got hot. How does Musk decide to throw $1.5 billion worth of Tesla's cash into BTC without acknowledging this? I was expecting a little bit more due-diligence from him, but he's been absolutely consumed by crypto markets in general.

Okay, here's my Big Brain, 4D Chess take: Elon Musk wanted to adopt Bitcoin, but he knew there was this big problem with energy consumption. It's bad for his brand, and perhaps goes against his own ethics. Could he say "hey, get the energy consumption down and I'll go all-in with Tesla"? People wouldn't think much of it. Better option: Buy a huge stake in Bitcoin, announce that he'll be accepting bitcoin at Tesla, ge…

No 4d chess needed. It feels like this was a simple pump and dump.

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Musk blaming excessive energy use for withdrawing from BTC sounds like a ruse, considering that he of all people absolutely knew that going in. I smell Teslacoin in the works. A ostensibly green cryptocurrency, with his face on it.

He changed his mind because of this: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/05/private-equity-f...

I noticed that you keep posting this as the definitive reason as to why they changed their minds. Is this confirmed or just conjecture?

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This looks like a pump and dump scheme in its finest form. Nothing changed over last year in regards to energy consumption. There's no way that Elon or those in Tesla discussing this were not aware of this prior.

Elon is a gambler on a hot streak. He keeps making big bets that pay off, but the luck to cunning ratio is dangerously high. Some day the shoe is going to go cold and he's going to be fucked. He'll drop off the richest people list faster than he climbed it (which was too fast).

> Elon is a gambler on a hot streak. He keeps making big bets that pay off, but the luck to cunning ratio is dangerously high.

If I could publicly pump and dump something I would also be on a hot streak.

Are we forgetting about the secured funding to take Tesla private tomfoolery.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Okay, here's my Big Brain, 4D Chess take: Elon Musk wanted to adopt Bitcoin, but he knew there was this big problem with energy consumption. It's bad for his brand, and perhaps goes against his own ethics. Could he say "hey, get the energy consumption down and I'll go all-in with Tesla"? People wouldn't think much of it. Better option: Buy a huge stake in Bitcoin, announce that he'll be accepting bitcoin at Tesla, ge…

No 4d chess needed. It feels like this was a simple pump and dump.

Did they sell their remaining 1 billion in bitcoin? I saw they sold 100m a few months ago.

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I wonder how much BTC is actually mined with fossil fuel. Even at the record prices, with efficient ASIC/GPU miners, you need some extremely cheap electricity to make it work. I suppose owning the power plant might work, as in the example ars article linked in this thread of a company spinning a bankrupt fossil fuel plant up for crypto. I think you can attribute a lot of other factors to crypto volatility than just M…

You cannot regulate what energy sources are being used for mining Bitcoin. If any particular energy source is available at the right cost somewhere, be it in a remote location with a defunct government, miners will use it.

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Why, are hoping to be able to pump and dump like old musky someday?

Wherever the Federal Government goes seeking to protect citizens a litany of intrusive, bloated, and invasive regulations follow.

This reads like something you'd overhear at a Sackler family cookout.

Surely you can recognize the benefits of government regulations in lopsided markets where small participants lack either the power or the information needed to keep large participants honest.

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> How does anyone justify these obscure tokens and coins being worth billions. The Greater Fool Theory. This stops working when you run out of fools, but the notion of "there's another sucker born every minute" probably keeps the ball rolling for a while.

Sure, but I thought there could be no more greater fools in 2013, and again in 2017. It is shocking how many fools exist.

Actually as to my observation it's the same fools again every time, plus some new fools, with ever-deeper pockets.

This streak will break not when the maximum number of fools has been reached, but when the fools with the biggest wallets have gotten involved.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Very perplexing behavior from Musk, I must say. Bitcoin's energy consumption has been front-and-center for a few years now and even more so when the bull market got hot. How does Musk decide to throw $1.5 billion worth of Tesla's cash into BTC without acknowledging this? I was expecting a little bit more due-diligence from him, but he's been absolutely consumed by crypto markets in general.

Okay, here's my Big Brain, 4D Chess take: Elon Musk wanted to adopt Bitcoin, but he knew there was this big problem with energy consumption. It's bad for his brand, and perhaps goes against his own ethics. Could he say "hey, get the energy consumption down and I'll go all-in with Tesla"? People wouldn't think much of it. Better option: Buy a huge stake in Bitcoin, announce that he'll be accepting bitcoin at Tesla, ge…

It is not possible to clean up bitcoin.

Even if it moved entirely to renewable energy it would still be a massive opportunity cost. There are productive uses that energy could be put to. Bitcoin is not productive.

Using gigawatts to process a few transactions a second, when existing financial frameworks can process millions of transactions a seconds at a fraction of the energy input means that bitcoin is always a massive waste.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Very perplexing behavior from Musk, I must say. Bitcoin's energy consumption has been front-and-center for a few years now and even more so when the bull market got hot. How does Musk decide to throw $1.5 billion worth of Tesla's cash into BTC without acknowledging this? I was expecting a little bit more due-diligence from him, but he's been absolutely consumed by crypto markets in general.

Cus he's not that bright. Isn't this the elephant in the room that no one wants to consider? Why do we have to start with the assumption that Musk is a genius, then work back from that?

The dude thought covid would go away last May.

He thinks it's easier to make Mars habitable than it is to keep the Earth habitable.

He's thought that full self driving was 6 months away for literally 4 years now.

And he didn't really understand what Bitcoin was when he sank 1.5 billion into it.

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