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Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #59
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing that should matter is: Can he do the job? Whether he wrote a book people get their panties twisted over does not appear to be a part of that job description. When did this concept become so controversial?

The question before Apple was whether they'd lose more talent by retaining this guy or by firing him. The answer was clear enough that he was gone in hours.

This is by far the only reasonable argument in the entire thread. I don't automatically accept it, but I can see its merit.

Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

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Post by williamsmj »

georgewsinger wrote: post #77
williamsmj wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Though I haven't read his work ... how many people in the latest cancel mob will take the time to read his book"?

Nice dunk, except I'm not accusing someone of heresy/trying to get them fired.

More of a layup than a dunk.

The people trying to get him fired have read his stuff. They quote from it extensively in the open letter: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/12/22432909/apple-petition-h....

Your claim about the mob not reading his stuff applies to you, the person citing hearsay from YouTube comments (!!!). It demonstrably does not apply to the people who got him fired.

Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

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Post by op03 »

williamsmj wrote: post #40
ryanwhitney wrote: post #19

Outside of the main quote that keeps showing up, he was also fairly creepy writing about women he worked with . > Unlike most women at Facebook (or in the Bay Area, really) she knew how to dress; forties-style, form-fitting dresses from neck to knee were her mainstay. > There were few women one would call conventionally attractive at Facebook. The few there were rarely if ever dressed for work with their femininity o…

If anyone thinks this is a case of "cancel culture wokerati you can't say anything these days", I can only assume you've never heard of the guy. Read the many, lengthy direct quotes from his writing in https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/12/22432909/apple-petition-h... . This is a guy who has made a writing/speaking career of knowingly saying crassly offensive and, at best, childishly naughty things about entire classes…

I mean this is a country that made Donald Trump President. So why is it a mystery what type of men populate the rest of the food chain.

There is no dearth of douchebags in positions of power and responsibility. And they are happy to over ride "HR processes" not because they are incapable of recognizing another douchebag, but because they think the douchebag will be effective.

The problem with cancel culture is it doesnt address that belief. All I see is "cancelled" ppl and various douchebags afraid of being cancelled getting together and supporting each other reinforcing their "victimhood".

Sooner or later enough of them aggregate at one spot or the other and create new issues for everyone.

The only way to deal with douchebags especially in the corporate world, is to be more effective than them in delivering results. That makes the story simple.

Cancel culture just complicates it.

Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

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Post by HKH2 »

cudgy wrote: post #65

“At Apple, we have always strived to create an inclusive, welcoming workplace …” By excluding people that write passages in books outside of work that we don’t like.

You've forgotten the paradox of tolerance: you decide which tolerance is the right kind of tolerance, so you only tolerate the things you already agree with.

Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

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Post by williamsmj »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #80
williamsmj wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I had heard of him, and presumably so had the Apple employees who assembled a letter that quotes him extensively: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/12/22432909/apple-petition-h... .

I... do not see why we would presume that.

The guy wrote a literal NYT/WSJ bestseller, a justifiably noteworthy book about the tech industry. It was covered in the tech and mainstream press extensively. He's a well known public figure, not an anonymous engineer.

I don't see any reason to doubt that plenty of people at Apple had heard of him and read the book, other than a self-regarding faith that people you disagree with can't possibly know something you don't.

Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

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Post by pr0zac »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #80
williamsmj wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I had heard of him, and presumably so had the Apple employees who assembled a letter that quotes him extensively: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/12/22432909/apple-petition-h... .

I... do not see why we would presume that.

He’s an author with a published book and a Wikipedia article. I’ve known about him for like five years. This isn’t some no name person.

Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

elliekelly wrote: post #70
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing that should matter is: Can he do the job? Whether he wrote a book people get their panties twisted over does not appear to be a part of that job description. When did this concept become so controversial?

> people get their panties twisted over This is just another way of accusing someone of hysteria: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysteria

And what is your point here? Because it is absolutely a hysteria.

Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

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Post by kazinator »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #78
readonthegoapp wrote: post #53

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This is a straight up sexist remark. If part of the job is showing respect to all your coworkers, regardless of sex, then it seems obvious he is incapable. Maybe his beliefs do not translate at all into his behavior, but I doubt it.

How so? Is it racist too? Please help me out here. I am trying to be reasonable about it, but the reaction to my simple statement created ridiculous level of response I did not expect so I expect to defend it. I repeat. The only thing that matters is whether this person can do their job. How does that make me sexist?

Your position is illogical. The question "can this person do the job" can be a resounding, objective "yes", for someone who, say, also happens to embezzle cash from the company. If that's the "only thing that matters", then the thief should keep the job and continue stealing.

Especially if you want to defend some unpopular position, you have make sure you don't have logical holes in it, like universal absolutes that succumb to easy counterexamples.

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