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I've deliberately cultivated this. As I often as I remember I adopt the perspective of someone who's 14,000 years old. I don't know why I haven't died, and at this point I don't expect to at anytime in the future. But I don't know I won't - so I'm still careful, and grateful. But I don't let things bother me, because I've seen it before. And all my plans are long-term, because centuries to me are the same as quarters…
You are practicing eastern philosophy :) The Man From Earth is wonderful. The best ultra-low budget movie IMO.
Why do older individuals have greater control of their feelings?
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#252Is it even true? There is a common stereotype of "older individuals", at least in the US, as cranky and irritable. Stereotypes aren't truth, but I think we've all encountered at least some examples of this. I'm not actually sure that contradicts the article, which takes a somewhat specific view of "control". But I've just spent four years dealing with a very prominent older individual who seemed to have absolutely ze…
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#253I'm 63 and for me the answer is simple: more self-awareness. I am aware of what thoughts my emotion is in response to. I am aware of how my emotions are cascading other emotions and triggering feelings based on memories of similar circumstances. I am aware of how my emotions are affecting the people around me and how their response is feeding back into my thoughts and feelings. Finally, with self-awareness comes the…
I'm about half your age and I don't know much about anything but, I think I'd agree based on my experience so far. I realized a while back that I'm some sort of chemical soup and I don't know where my thoughts or emotions even originate from. I don't seem to produce them voluntarily – they just bubble up out of the silence inside me. I have some moment of control, though it doesn't seem very effective a lot of the ti…
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#2541. The more experiences you have, the less likely any new experience is to be an extreme outlier. A toddler has the best and worst day of their life once a month or so. A twenty-something every couple of years. By your sixties, there's a good chance that most of the extreme emotional outliers are all in your past.
So when you're going through something that would overwhelm a younger person, it's likely you can correctly say, "Eh, I've been through worse." And that realization, and the memory of what it was like after it is itself an emotional buffer. It's hard to feel like your world is falling apart when you clearly remember yourself putting it back together once before.
2. The stakes for your decisions are lower. When you're a teen, it feels like every decision can radically alter the course of your life. Maybe that after school sport becomes your scholarship ticket to an expensive college. Your major determines your career. Deciding whether to go to that party could mean meeting the love of your life of not. The butterfly effect iterated future ahead of scales the magnitude of every single thing you do. But when you're older, there is simply less time for that scaling to occur. No decision a seventy-year-old makes will change the course of their life radically for the next sixty years because, well, they don't have sixty years. Most bets are thus relatively safer.
3. Your existence is more secure. By the time you reach middle age, you likely (though not definitely) have accumulated skills, experience, a social network, job contacts, a career, and wealth. You live in a pretty well-feathered nest, able to withstand most bouts of bad weather.
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#255Independent of any biological or hormonal causes, I can think of several reasons why older folks might be more even keeled merely by virtue of where they are in their life span: 1. The more experiences you have, the less likely any new experience is to be an extreme outlier. A toddler has the best and worst day of their life once a month or so. A twenty-something every couple of years. By your sixties, there's a good…
You can try to gain perspective by doing things like reading realistic novels or realism-based historical studies (as opposed to the morality tales so in vogue today). I think this type of vicarious emotional absorption is the best that young people can do if they are actively trying to improve their perspective. But then you are at the mercy of how accurately the author or historian is portraying life -- older people can detect "false notes" more easily, and I see many false notes when I watch media or listen to music, some so egregiously false as to classify those works as deception. Then you can get into a situation where your emotional depth is getting worse with time because you are learning things vicariously that aren't accurately describing how life works.
But most people will eventually come to have enough authentic emotional experiences as to be able to gain some depth, e.g. perspective, even if they have consumed a lot of false vicarious experiences. In fact, those authentic experience might be incredibly jarring. I've heard that Ruskin had lots of sexual issues in his life because he was trained to work with sculptures of naked women with no pubic hair or realistic features, and was shocked when he saw an actual (non-idealized) nude woman. He may never have managed to purge himself of the false notes he absorbed as a young art student.
When a brand new CS student who has never written a program, or has only written a handful of exercises, are thrown into a large codebase, you expect them to make poor decisions. That's why their work is supervised. Not because they lack intelligence, but because they lack perspective. They are not thinking of how X will be maintained over time, or the consequences of creating some dependencies, etc. Over time, they acquire that perspective and make better decisions, at which point they need less supervision and can eventually supervise others.
So it is with everything that requires the exercise of judgement, whether writing code or handling your emotions or finances, or relationships. It takes time to acquire sufficient perspective to exercise good judgement. This is why historically nations had committees of elders who could block laws deemed reckless, and why traditionally young people were not allowed to vote and only gradually were entrusted with privileges that required the exercise of judgement such as signing contracts.
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#256My entirely unscientific theory is that like other cells, we're born with a limited number of fucks in our body. When we're young, we (instinctively, subconsciously) feel like our fucks reserves are plentiful, so we give a fuck about a lot of stuff. As we get older, our reservoir of fucks gets progressively depleted. The fucks are rarer, so we give a fuck less and less often. I've recently turned 40 and I can definit…
I respectfully disagree. As a reluctant member of the "older individuals" I too find myself giving a boatload less fucks than I used to, but the main reasons are (in no particular order): 1. I have got my crippling Generalized Anxiety Disorder under control 2. I have realized that I used to give way too many fucks about shit that didn't matter at all, and it was not worth it and actually detrimental Mind you, those 2…
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#257Trump notoriously sucked at emotional regulation, and he's what you'd consider 'an older individual'. He too would give measured responses, it's just that they were more direct/less diplomatic than say Obama's.
I used to be more knee-jerky in my responses, say 20+ years ago in my 20's, but after a lot of screw ups in life w/relationships (close/intimate ones in particular), a failed marriage, 2 kids and a lot of therapy, both group and individual, I've made progress in being aware of my feelings and responding in a more measured way, so outwardly that appears as if I have "greater control".
The reality is I'm still a mess - I'm just responsible for my mess before I vomit it outward on someone else.
LinkedIn Learning actually has this great one hour or so video I just watched that covers this nicely, I think it's called "Emotional Intelligence"... Some say it predicts how you will fare career wise far more than being just technically adept/skilled.
It's a process of "finding oneself" and figuring out where we fit best. Mastering responses to our emotions is a life long process and we tend to end up "automagically" drawn to similar people, cultures, companies, relationships....
Re: Why do older individuals have greater control of their feelings?
#258At age 20 or so, I read a quote in a book (on day trading, IIRC) that went something like: "Master your emotions, or they will master you." After thinking about it, I realized that despite identifying as a logical-thinking individual, I was nevertheless at the mercy of the more primitive parts of my brain. Sometimes totally, but pretty much all executive functions were influenced by it to a large degree. That might b…
Imo there's a strong tendency for people working in tech/business or with high ambition in general to suppress their emotions as they affect the decision making. However, I'd rather make suboptimal decisions if that means a richer life, deeper connections and a stronger sense of wonder. Trying to be as logical, rational as possible makes life dull and mechanical. In the end as Kierkegaard said, "Life is not a problem…
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Whoa, you can't post like this here, and we ban accounts that do. No more of this please. I'm sure there's legitimate experience behind the feelings but it's not a good use of this site to allow them to turn into generational flamewar, let alone violent rants. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: it looks like you've unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines a fair bit, e.g. https://news.ycomb…
It would be helpful if you could clearly spell out the opinions the rules actually apply to. I've been guessing wrong lately, it seems.
Re: Why do older individuals have greater control of their feelings?
#260My entirely unscientific theory is that like other cells, we're born with a limited number of fucks in our body. When we're young, we (instinctively, subconsciously) feel like our fucks reserves are plentiful, so we give a fuck about a lot of stuff. As we get older, our reservoir of fucks gets progressively depleted. The fucks are rarer, so we give a fuck less and less often. I've recently turned 40 and I can definit…
This is hilarious and yet right on the money in some way. As you get older, you start to see that everything is the same and goes through cycles. The important stuff of my childhood (ex: having clothes that were sewhar fashionable), becomes irrelevant. Who cares if I'm wearing the same style of sandals for over 20 years now? You start to focus on what's more important to you. F** are reserved for important matters li…
"Lindsay glanced at one wall and was paralyzed at the sight of his own clan's founder, Malcolm Lindsay. As a child, the dead pioneer's face, leering in ancestral wisdom from the tops of dressers and bookshelves, had filled him with dread. Now he realized with a painful leap of insight how young the man had been. Dead at seventy. The whole habitat had been slammed up in frantic haste by people scarcely more than children. He began laughing hysterically.
'It's a joke!' he shouted. The laughter was melting his head, breaking up a logjam of thought in little stabbing pangs.
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'It's a joke,' Lindsay said. His tongue was loose now and the words gushed free. 'This is unbelievable. These poor fools had no idea. How could they? They were dead before they had a chance to see! What's five years to us, what's ten, a hundred—' "