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Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by kofddfjdfdfdff »

thwarted wrote: post #186
radu_floricica wrote: post #160

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I agree with your points, but I'd really really like to avoid giving the impression of... glee? "Look at those unwashed unvaccinated Trump supporters, so good they'll be forced to do things our ways now!". I'm not saying you're doing it, I'm just piggybacking on your comment. I'm pretty much a high-modernist when it comes to vaccines - I think that having governments build sewage and create vaccines go into the same…

This is getting stupid, if it wasn't already. Requiring vaccination is "curtailing liberties". Restricting movement due not being vaccinated is "curtailing liberties". No shit. One can either be part of society or not. Society has minimum requirements if one wants to participate. One is free—exercise their liberty—to live as a hermit if they don't want to do either of these things. That's the price of admission of ge…

"One can either be part of society or not. Society has minimum requirements if one wants to participate"

You make it sound as if there is a fixed, god given set of rules for society. That's not the case. Societies rules are constantly being negotiated by society.

So your argument is not an argument at all. It boils down to "you have to follow the rules because you have to follow the rules".

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by p49k »

kofddfjdfdfdff wrote: post #219
Cederfjard wrote: post #139

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> Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. > ... that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. Yup, that’s the point. No man is an island. You already can’t walk around doing literally whatever you want just because it’s your body you’re doing it with. You depend on other people, and other people depend on you (or at least can’t avoid intermingling with you, es…

Except that the people who are worried can simply get vaccinated themselves. There may be a few people who can not be vaccinated (old and very sick), but it hardly seems appropriate to restrict billions of people just to protect those few. It would be more efficient to isolate them, which most of them probably already are (in care homes or hospitals).

Seems incredibly selfish to force vulnerable people into isolation because some people allow themselves to get absorbed into conspiracy theories about a harmless vaccine.

Requiring certain vaccines for travel has been something that has existed for decades and was never controversial.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by bserge »

walterbell wrote: post #119

For those in the EU, the upcoming travel pass will cover three categories of people: vaccinated, PCR-tested negative, and recovered (i.e. positive antibody test of immunity), https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/all-your-questions-on-... > For travellers who have recovered from the virus: date of the positive test result, an issuer of the certificate, date of issuance, validity date The bureaucratic stumbling block…

Sometimes I think I'm living in a parallel universe.

I know people who travel regularly and no one says anything to them. No quarantine, nothing. Most people on the streets here in Germany give zero fucks, groups of 5-10, no masks (even though there's a curfew between 10pm-5am due to an increase in cases).

And I traveled all the way from Moldova to Germany by car. No one, and I mean no one ever asked for a Covid test (which I had, of course, along with a positive antibodies test). Border guards, Hungarian border patrol, German Zoll, regular Romanian and German police, they cared about what's in the bags, didn't even mention Covid.

Hungarian border guards wanted to see a German work contract for whatever asinine reason, but I repeat, none of them ever asked for a Covid test or to at least keep the mask on (they need to see your face when checking the passport).

Whatever bureaucratic stumbling blocks there are, they have nothing to do with reality, it seems.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by kofddfjdfdfdff »

p49k wrote: post #222
kofddfjdfdfdff wrote: post #219

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Except that the people who are worried can simply get vaccinated themselves. There may be a few people who can not be vaccinated (old and very sick), but it hardly seems appropriate to restrict billions of people just to protect those few. It would be more efficient to isolate them, which most of them probably already are (in care homes or hospitals).

Seems incredibly selfish to force vulnerable people into isolation because some people allow themselves to get absorbed into conspiracy theories about a harmless vaccine. Requiring certain vaccines for travel has been something that has existed for decades and was never controversial.

It's not a harmless vaccine. You want to mandate vaccinating people who are at no risk from the disease, and expose them to unnecessary risks. And that means children - all to protect sick people who for the most part are already isolated. They are in hospitals or sick people homes, where you can protect them in other ways.

Also the comparison with other vaccines does not automatically make sense. All vaccines are not the same. At least in my country, so far recommendations for vaccinations had been "conservative" to only vaccinate against things that seem especially risky. There is a reason why people are not simply being vaccinated against all possible diseases.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by murkt »

hanselot wrote: post #208
aww_dang wrote: post #185

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The source is CBS news. >"I haven't bothered to read, but I'm dismissing it as a conspiracy theory" I hope you can appreciate the problems with that reasoning. Yes, there are costs involved in data collection. If the data is valuable, organizations will foot those costs. We've seen this in the tech sphere. Why is it hard to imagine it in the health/biosecurity realm?

Because he is paid to shill that view. Want proof? Go say the same thing somewhere else, on another public forum, you will get the same script (variations of it).

I am paid for expressing my opinion? How very nice of someone. Please wire me my moneys, haven’t received them yet!

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

breck wrote: post #215
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #207

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I've been tracking information on COVID related immunity as my parents are due second dose, I'm due first dose and we're all COVID +ve (India). My parents got infected after ~ 30days of first dose Astrazenica, I got from them immediately. I had COVID brain fog, they didn't face much symptoms(vaccine doing it's job?). Luckily we all seem to be recovering well. Now since we've got immunity and that evidence suggests th…

I have seen an overwhelming amount of evidence that if you've recovered you are safe. I have been tracking this since early February 2020. I think if you've recovered you can stop worrying about COVID, and I have seen nothing that makes me think the vaccine is worth it in the least if you've recovered. I would not worry about mutant strains either. It's a very genetically stable virus. Even though the numbers in Indi…

>I have seen an overwhelming amount of evidence that if you've recovered you are safe.

That's reassuring thank you.

>Even though the numbers in India now are high, they are still significantly lower per capita than they were in the USA and UK last year.

But there's consensus among the scientific community that it's being widely under-reported; At least 80-90% lesser than actual figures according to Dr. Ashish Jha dean of Brown University, School of Public Health[1].

P.S. Those who want to make a political comment for the above statement, I request you not to do so out of respect for the dead. I shared the information since we're discussing numbers and not for any political blame as Dr. Jha himself says.

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63_YPC-mQ5w

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by Guthur »

Tade0 wrote: post #209
Guthur wrote: post #197

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But it's such a nonsense strategy, there is no way that this will provide eradication, covid is just too virulent and not deadly enough, it will remain in small pockets, remember there will be many countries that won't be able to afford this on going pharmaceutical tax. If it does provide protection vaccinate the at risk and be done.

The aim is to prevent the virus from clogging up the healthcare system. Countries which vaccinated all the citizens they could(e.g. Israel) already achieved that. One dose of the Pfizer vaccine costs €16, while AstraZeneca's is less than €3. This is affordable by any measure.

Astra is hard sell to people under 50, and is looking less effective against variants.

The cost of Pfizer is a lot more than the per shot cost, you need highly specialised storage and distribution due to the low temperature requirements.

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Post by pjerem »

p49k wrote: post #192
lazyjones wrote: post #171

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The European way should be to treat the EU as one country and stop restricting movement. We've had Schengen for a long time, which meant no border checks whatsoever on most borders (we were driving through without even stopping or slowing down most of the time). With this vaccine passport, Schengen is pretty much history and that removes one of the main liberties the EU was offering.

Schengen has been deteriorating for a long time. Denmark has totally ignored it and has road checks at the border for more than 5 years now and other nations have done similar (although to a less extreme extent).

I’ve been to Denmark two years ago and I have no memory of any border check. It was by plane btw, maybe the checks are different but it would be surprising. It is totally possible however that the check was so fast that I don’t remember it. Do you have any information about this ?

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by breck »

js2 wrote: post #217
breck wrote: post #212

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"The COVID–19 vaccines...offer a...more reliable means of protection than natural immunity." This is false. She even goes on to say "Pfizer vaccine blocked 90% of infections after both doses" but we're seeing 99.9%+ protection from natural immunity. She also doesn't put her logic on git (not surprising). If she had built a simple spreadsheet with the important data she'd realize her mistakes (assuming good faith).

The paper you cited looks at re-infection at up to 100 days. She cites a paper indicating up to 5% of people have no signs of immunity at 6 months: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6529/eabf4063.ful...

No, it looked at reinfection for up to a year. "Out of 149,735 individuals with a documented positive PCR test between March 2020 and January 2021". The 100 days was the threshold they used for recovery.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by hnthrowaway8493 »

rajup wrote: post #203
Cederfjard wrote: post #139

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> Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. > ... that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. Yup, that’s the point. No man is an island. You already can’t walk around doing literally whatever you want just because it’s your body you’re doing it with. You depend on other people, and other people depend on you (or at least can’t avoid intermingling with you, es…

ELI5, if someone is not vaccinated isn't the only person being put at risk themselves? I have heard speculation of how this could cause more variants to arise which seems to be mostly just that: speculation. Or how this can be problematic for at-risk (elderly, immuno-compromised etc) but how frequently does that happen? I am 100% confident I have not encountered any such people in the last 6 months (or well atleast f…

Read this: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/health/vaccine-nursing-ho...

"An unvaccinated worker set off an outbreak at a U.S. nursing home where most residents were immunized." One vaccinated resident died.

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