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Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by tsimionescu » Wed, May 12, 2021, 6:36 AM UTC

T-hawk wrote: post #144

wfhbata wrote: post #131

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It’s a terrible precedent to let people prolong a pandemic and endanger innocent people’s lives in the name of their personal liberties. If you don’t want to take measures to protect others, you can sit home for a while. It won’t kill you, and it won’t kill the people around you.

No, once everyone who wants it is vaccinated, their health is their problem not mine. If anyone is still scared of unvaccinated people, they can keep themselves at home forever, they don't get to force medical choices and restrictions on others.

Actually, they do. Being vaccinated from an infectious disease is part of your civic duties, to help protect those who can't be vaccinated for various reasons.

There is even a ECHR decision to this effect.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by virgilp » Wed, May 12, 2021, 6:37 AM UTC

T-hawk wrote: post #195

virgilp wrote: post #180

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> If those 100 people are still worried about that, they can choose to keep themselves locked away forever. You must be trolling, no way you're so self-centered. "I like to drive with 200km/h through cities, those who don't like it or are scared of my driving can stay home" "I like to take my aggressive pitbull for a walk without a leash, if you don't like it you can stay home" "I like to play with guns, if you don't…

Nice army of straw men. You're trying to redefine literally existing in public as recklessness. Self-centered? The people demanding the nonvaccinated cease existing in society because of their fears are the selfish ones. I'm saying nothing about anyone else's choices or activities whatsoever. Restricting someone else's behavior and bodily autonomy is the selfish act. 100 people forcibly removing 1 person from society…

You can't walk naked on the street, despite it "doing no harm", because of other people's sensitivities. You need to adapt to the society, it's not the society's duty to adapt to you.

If it bothers enough people, you can't do it. Call it law, call it mob rule, call it whatever you wish - it's just how the world works.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by rajup » Wed, May 12, 2021, 6:37 AM UTC

Cederfjard wrote: post #139

sharken wrote: post #122

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Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. That should not be the european way.

> Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. > ... that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. Yup, that’s the point. No man is an island. You already can’t walk around doing literally whatever you want just because it’s your body you’re doing it with. You depend on other people, and other people depend on you (or at least can’t avoid intermingling with you, es…

ELI5, if someone is not vaccinated isn't the only person being put at risk themselves? I have heard speculation of how this could cause more variants to arise which seems to be mostly just that: speculation. Or how this can be problematic for at-risk (elderly, immuno-compromised etc) but how frequently does that happen? I am 100% confident I have not encountered any such people in the last 6 months (or well atleast for any amount of time that would actually be harmful). FWIW I'm fully vaccinated, I'm genuinely curious about this.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by Closi » Wed, May 12, 2021, 6:39 AM UTC

ithkuil wrote: post #200

Cederfjard wrote: post #139

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> Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. > ... that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. Yup, that’s the point. No man is an island. You already can’t walk around doing literally whatever you want just because it’s your body you’re doing it with. You depend on other people, and other people depend on you (or at least can’t avoid intermingling with you, es…

> Yup, that’s the point. I don't understand. If we know that people who recovered from covid are effectively as if they were vaccinated, why do they have to wait until they have the privilege to be in the lucky age group to receive the vaccine before they can go visit a loved one they don't see for more than one year? Are you assuming that everyone in the world is living in a privileged country where people as young…

You don't actually have a birth-given right to enter all other countries - which might be a surprise to people with good passports that effectively used to let them travel anywhere (try entering the USA with a passport from Pakistan or Iraq and see how it compares with a Swiss passport!).

This is about what other countries want to restrict in terms of non-citizen's entering the country without isolation.

These are countries which have had a significant portion of their economy shut down for more than a year, so unsurprisingly they might want to ensure non-citizens who travel in have done something to limit the risk (even if that is isolating for 2 weeks).

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by rajup » Wed, May 12, 2021, 6:40 AM UTC

macintux wrote: post #107

jandrewrogers wrote: post #92

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I worked on COVID epidemiology last year for a couple governments, so I am more familiar with the literature than most people. I don’t expect people to be as familiar as I am. However, the bane of my existence the last year have been people with strong opinions on “the science” on both sides that use “citation please” as a passive aggressive dismissal from a position of ignorance, and will promptly ignore any citatio…

So, you know: * what keywords to search for * how to quickly judge the reputation of a result * how to assess the relevance of a result Some of us don’t know any of the above.

Seems like something worth knowing and improving upon to have a reasonable, grounded conversation ;)

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by tsimionescu » Wed, May 12, 2021, 6:40 AM UTC

T-hawk wrote: post #154

stormbrew wrote: post #151

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If anyone is scared of getting vaccinated due to nonsense conspiracy theories, they can keep themselves at home forever, they don't get to force a deadly disease on others.

It's not deadly to the vaccinated. That's the whole point of the vaccines. Or are you arguing that the vaccines don't work?

This isn't some theoretical scenario - we have plenty of experience with other infectious diseases. People choosing not to be vaccinated creates opportunities for the disease to spread and either infect those who can't be vaccinated (young children, immunocompromised people etc), or gives the disease opportunities to mutate and evade the vaccine in the future.

Your right to not be vaccinated does not trump public health concerns, or shouldn't.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by Abishek_Muthian » Wed, May 12, 2021, 6:41 AM UTC

breck wrote: post #194

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #82

Seems to be on-par with antibody persistence (6 months) offered after second dose of mRNA-1273 vaccine[1]. US CDC seems to suggest vaccine to those who had COVID immediately after recovery[2]. Where as news sources claim WHO suggests 6 months after recovery[3]. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2103916 [2] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html [3] https://theprint.in/health/i-had-co…

Wow. Thank you for sharing #2. "Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19." This is downright false. Someone should seriously sue the CDC. I don't understand how they can get away with this anti science, anti math, illogerate bullsh*t. We know far more about the…

I've been tracking information on COVID related immunity as my parents are due second dose, I'm due first dose and we're all COVID +ve (India).

My parents got infected after ~ 30days of first dose Astrazenica, I got from them immediately. I had COVID brain fog, they didn't face much symptoms(vaccine doing it's job?). Luckily we all seem to be recovering well.

Now since we've got immunity and that evidence suggests that it should last at least 8 months we might delay the vaccine jabs as it's of extreme scarcity in the country and many vulnerable are waiting for it.

But I would wish for a immunity research with larger study group with the mutant strains supposedly capable of immune escape properties as we're facing here. Because I'm willing to take the risk based on current data, But I don't want to be wrong in suggesting that my elderly parents delay their second jab.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by hanselot » Wed, May 12, 2021, 6:42 AM UTC

aww_dang wrote: post #185

murkt wrote: post #174

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I haven’t opened your first link, second looks like pure conspiracy theories. Covid, China, Bill Gates, Epstein!!11 If you’re afraid of getting your DNA sequenced while doing PCR test, please read up on the process of test, equipment, materials and costs involved.

The source is CBS news. >"I haven't bothered to read, but I'm dismissing it as a conspiracy theory" I hope you can appreciate the problems with that reasoning. Yes, there are costs involved in data collection. If the data is valuable, organizations will foot those costs. We've seen this in the tech sphere. Why is it hard to imagine it in the health/biosecurity realm?

Because he is paid to shill that view.

Want proof? Go say the same thing somewhere else, on another public forum, you will get the same script (variations of it).

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by Tade0 » Wed, May 12, 2021, 6:42 AM UTC

Guthur wrote: post #197

thwarted wrote: post #186

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This is getting stupid, if it wasn't already. Requiring vaccination is "curtailing liberties". Restricting movement due not being vaccinated is "curtailing liberties". No shit. One can either be part of society or not. Society has minimum requirements if one wants to participate. One is free—exercise their liberty—to live as a hermit if they don't want to do either of these things. That's the price of admission of ge…

But it's such a nonsense strategy, there is no way that this will provide eradication, covid is just too virulent and not deadly enough, it will remain in small pockets, remember there will be many countries that won't be able to afford this on going pharmaceutical tax. If it does provide protection vaccinate the at risk and be done.

The aim is to prevent the virus from clogging up the healthcare system. Countries which vaccinated all the citizens they could(e.g. Israel) already achieved that.

One dose of the Pfizer vaccine costs €16, while AstraZeneca's is less than €3. This is affordable by any measure.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by tomc1985 » Wed, May 12, 2021, 6:43 AM UTC

ithkuil wrote: post #200

Cederfjard wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. > ... that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. Yup, that’s the point. No man is an island. You already can’t walk around doing literally whatever you want just because it’s your body you’re doing it with. You depend on other people, and other people depend on you (or at least can’t avoid intermingling with you, es…

> Yup, that’s the point. I don't understand. If we know that people who recovered from covid are effectively as if they were vaccinated, why do they have to wait until they have the privilege to be in the lucky age group to receive the vaccine before they can go visit a loved one they don't see for more than one year? Are you assuming that everyone in the world is living in a privileged country where people as young…

Just want to interject that a lot of us Americans are pleasantly surprised with just how quickly and effectively the vaccine rollout has gone. It has been a real turnaround for those living in states whose government was able to pull it off.

(But it should be noted that many states are not doing as well)