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Tech giants join call for funding U.S. chip production

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Re: Tech giants join call for funding U.S. chip production

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Post by fvv »

mjevans wrote: post #236
fvv wrote: post #179

50b would be better spent founding Taiwan entering un and it's emancipation ,and going explicitly to defend them along with Eu instead of wasting money for Intel buybacks, 50b in that industry is nothing, America and free world need Taiwan independence ( and i'm saying that not because Taiwanese ,i'm European but Europe is weak in those geopolitics play and need us for sure) Globalization is inevitable , resistance i…

It would be nice for them to be in the UN. Can we still build some stuff in the continental Americas? Yes please to all solutions for producing modern stuff.

Sure but probably tsmc and Samsung are the company that can build them in usa, good relations , interdependence , continuous innovation is necessary from USA in the long run , national safety (for us) will be better served with Taiwan in UN and asking Samsung and tsmc to distribute fabs to avoid risks like china , drought, earthquake, .. this distributiin already start to happen

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Post by sofixa »

paganel wrote: post #198
sofixa wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As far as I could tell the world was even more globalised back then It was not. How could it be? Cheap and fast long range transportation, the Internet, mass consumerism,interconnected financial systems... What could possibly make you think the world was more globalised in the 1910s than 2020s? And yes, many people said a war is impossible due to the globalisation. I guess what they missed was telling it to the peo…

> What could possibly make you think the world was more globalised in the 1910s than 2020s? For example borders were a lot more porous in the late 1800s - early 1900s compared to the 2020s, Ellis Island could have never happened today, when you have children from El Salvador or Guatemala kept in cages for basically doing the same thing that children from Calabria or Sicily were doing back then.

That was either one way emigration, or roundtrip rich people travel. Hardly a sign of globalisation.

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Post by mjevans »

fvv wrote: post #281
mjevans wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be nice for them to be in the UN. Can we still build some stuff in the continental Americas? Yes please to all solutions for producing modern stuff.

Sure but probably tsmc and Samsung are the company that can build them in usa, good relations , interdependence , continuous innovation is necessary from USA in the long run , national safety (for us) will be better served with Taiwan in UN and asking Samsung and tsmc to distribute fabs to avoid risks like china , drought, earthquake, .. this distributiin already start to happen

I was replying to the parent, who wants them in the United Nations, as a recognized country on the world stage.

I would also like competition among fabrication providers, and each fabrication provider to have a factory on the same continent I live on, even if it isn't in the same country (which does happen to be the US).

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Post by rsj_hn »

ENOTTY wrote: post #269
rsj_hn wrote: post #186

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Rather than advocate for a specific conclusion, I'd like to propose a way of looking at this problem: What matters is a society's capacity to produce. Not whether something is "fair", not whether an industry deserves this or that. Not whether some cherished economic theory is being honored. Specifically, what matters is the creation and support of productive ecosystems , which are networks of credit, knowledge acquis…

I don't know how you can justifiably call Africa a has-been. Africa is by far the youngest continent in the world, with 60% of the population below 25. The median age is 19. The fertility rate is incredibly high. Most likely, Africa is the continent of the future.

> I don't know how you can justifiably call Africa a has-been

Please read comments you reply to.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #246
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #177

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"To all those saying that those companies can afford it themselves, remember that there are reasons they don't." This sounds a lot like "God moves in mysterious ways and has a plan for everyone, everything happens for a reason". No actual analysis and reasoning required. This free market religion is what gave us 2008 and will keep giving.

Ah yes, the free market utopia every libertarian dreamed of existed in 2008. There were only just over 100,000 pages of federal law and regulations. Not to mention state and local laws.

I see, if we had 0 pages of regulations, then banks would be ethical, then they would not create CDOs and then synthetic CDOs and destroy globaln economy.

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

rebelos wrote: post #261
coliveira wrote: post #173

It is funny that the US intelligentsia complains about China as being dominated by government, but there is nothing really big done in the US without huge costs for American tax payers, frequently without any retribution. This is clearly the next step: the US corporations created the "big enemy" China by exporting jobs there during the last 40 years, now they want the same taxpayers to pay for rebuilding the US indus…

It's getting really tired to blame companies for acting like rational agents against the natural laws of competitive global markets. Being against free trade works for an economy right up until it has fully squandered its competitive advantage (derived in great part in the modern world by leveraging comparative advantage) and then GDP and the tax base start collapsing. And then capital flight happens when the combina…

What happens to all the people who can't (for whatever reason) work office jobs/work in the "knowledge economy"?

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Post by esyir »

coliveira wrote: post #169
azinman2 wrote: post #158

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Government subsidies protecting industries rarely pay off in a peaceful world to the entire country. I personally get nothing out of Chevron getting tax breaks. However, if those incentives meant supply was harder to disrupt, and in a war time the country has better access to fuel, then it does seem like a worthwhile trade off. In this case, the risk is that China literally takes over (one way or another) the vast ma…

The ones who should be very worried and willing to pay for this "protection" are exactly the huge companies that have a lot in stake. It is completely absurd that they still want to reach for the taxpayer to pay for protecting their monopolies.

The country too has a stake here, and one that's perhaps even larger.

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Post by hadlock »

threeseed wrote: post #223
WillPostForFood wrote: post #196

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The risk isn’t war between China and the US, but China and Taiwan, which China has 100% chance of winning. That then makes the the US extremely dependent on China for semiconductor supply.

The idea that China has a 100% chance of winning is laughable and plain wrong. There are so many dynamics involved e.g. Japan needing to defend the Senkaku Islands, India, UK and EU member states being involved and the fact that you an increasingly united front within APAC. Also China's military is a lot of smoke and mirrors. They simply can't match the F-22 and F-35 in the air or the Ford class aircraft carriers in…

China has been testing their recently-deployed DF-21 and DF-26 "aircraft-carrier killer" missiles. They're basically non-nuclear ICBMs that come straight down, from above, a battleship, dead center, at Mach 2+. It's basically a 4,000 mile hole punch for warships. The only reason nobody's really talking about them yet is because they're ambiguously running afoul of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, which we're no longer part of. Also, they haven't actually been used in combat. But presumably they have enough to sink our navy twice over, and are shipped in a standard 40' shipping container.

Getting in a naval battle with China may likely someday become "getting in a land war with Russia".

> https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3098972/chi...

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Post by hadlock »

threeseed wrote: post #225
smithza wrote: post #204

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From some commentaries I read, China has a near 100% chance of winning in war with Taiwan even if US and allies join. This is mostly to do with mainland China's relative proximity to Taiwan and the few relative number of air bases US has on Japan and how far away Hawaii is.

You do know that there is the concept of carrier strike groups which involve you putting a bunch of planes on an aircraft carrier and sailing it to the region. Just like UK's HMS Queen Elizabeth is doing as we speak. Also there are US air bases in Phillipines, Singapore, South Korea, Australia, Guam etc. This is going to be a regional conflict not just between US and China. Again. Anyone who says there is a 100% chan…

China's DF-21/DF-26, assuming they work half as good as they're claiming, will likely largely nullify the advantages of carrier strike groups.

Being able to sink any hostile warship within 2000 miles of the Spratly Islands is a significant deterrent to external military intervention in the region.

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Post by ErikVandeWater »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #285
ErikVandeWater wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the free market utopia every libertarian dreamed of existed in 2008. There were only just over 100,000 pages of federal law and regulations. Not to mention state and local laws.

I see, if we had 0 pages of regulations, then banks would be ethical, then they would not create CDOs and then synthetic CDOs and destroy globaln economy.

Strawman argument.
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