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I had this exact question and asked around before finding out a friend's brother specializes in immunology. Apparently two separate exposures triggers a much longer lasting immune response, and because of the nature of the vaccine it's much more targeted to one specific aspect of the virus, and consequently more potent in a way. Moderna also made a statement that they expected their vaccine to last for 2 years based…
My original intuition was it would be the opposite. This actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks for sharing and correcting my line of thinking on it.
Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19
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#82US CDC seems to suggest vaccine to those who had COVID immediately after recovery[2]. Where as news sources claim WHO suggests 6 months after recovery[3].
[1]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2103916
[2]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html
[3]https://theprint.in/health/i-had-covid-when-should-i-get-vac...
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>People that contracted SARS-CoV-1 still have a strong immune response almost 20 years later. Could you provide a source for this please?
There are several such studies, all trivially discoverable. Here is one published in Nature last year, where they specifically also studied cross reactivity of SARS-2003 immune response with SARS-2019: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z Asking for a citation for something so trivially discoverable is a weird flex.
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They've lost credibility because of a concerted effort to discredit them. An effort that was initiated specifically by people who didn't want to follow their broadly reasonable medical advice.
There's been plenty of unforced errors on the part of the government agencies. Claiming that masks don't help because they didn't want average citizens to buy them all up and still saying you shouldn't wear a K/N95 mask come to mind. Also, the horrific early failures with broken tests and bans on testing anyone who hadn't been in a specific area of China until it was far too late. Heck, the CDC just this week finally…
It’s unfortunate that we were worried about consumers buying all the medical masks but in March 2020, it was a legitimate concern
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This one's close to my heart since I stay there. At the end of the article: > there have been 56 cases involving people who were infected despite being fully vaccinated, of which 30 were local cases and 26 were imported ones.
This is key. Fully vaccinated people in Singapore aren't getting seriously sick (which is great!) but they are getting infected with Covid (which isn't so great). What that means is that fully vaccinated individuals can get infected and infect unvaccinated individuals . As such, your population won't be protected unless most people are vaccinated (80-90%+).
The US approved vaccines (so far) appear to be pretty good at preventing infection compared to lots of vaccines.
There's an obvious level of (incomplete) protection present in the population at 50% vaccination. Cases aren't falling because we are getting more careful (but then the nicer weather could be helping).
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#86Out of curiosity, why do vaccines like polio protect us for life, but ones for coronavirus only for a couple of years?
1) The rate of "vaccine escape" of the pathogen - that is, how well new variants of the pathogen can escape recognition by a vaccine. This varies from pathogen to pathogen.
2) The strength of the immune response to the vaccine. For example, live-attenuated vaccines are basically natural infections.
3) Whether or not your immune memory is occasionally boosted by coming into contact with someone who is shedding the pathogen.
All of these vary based on the pathogen and vaccine pairing. And critically, for COVID-19, we don't know several of these parameters.
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#87This was completely expected, since this is the case with the other coronaviruses. People that contracted SARS-CoV-1 still have a strong immune response almost 20 years later.
That shows that there's clearly some memory in the immune system, but it isn't like they did challenge testing with live SARS-CoV-1 virus to survivors to see if they got sick or not.
And we now know that the presence of a T-cell immune reaction is not sufficient to prevent you from getting sick or hospitalized. The cross-reactive T-cell responses between previously circulating human coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2 was found to simply not be protective at all against disease:
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/02/10/do...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S009286742...
So the paper on T-cell responses in SARS-CoV-1 patients 17 years later is not remotely as meaningful as some people suggest. It doesn't prove anything about disease or reinfection.
At the same time the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 actually is likely to be durable for many years as has been seen with HCoV-229E:
https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/j...
What the researchers there found is solid evidence that our immunity to HCoVs doesn't wane but that the virus mutates in order to reinfect. That contradicts some other studies which seem to show reinfection of ordinary coronaviruses on short timescales, but the methdology of that study seems to be more sound. That's the one that I'd cite as evidence of durable multi-year disease-preventing immunity. Although the catch is that given this viruses ability to mutate in multiple locations around the spike protein while actually increasing affinity it seems very likely that it'll eventually mutate to achieve immune escape. It is looking like it'd be pretty surprising for this to be a one-and-done like measles.
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Not that I doubt you, but it is pretty common here in the USA to _assume_ every cold/allergy etc. is COVID-19, even without a positive PCR or anti-gen test. Did the folks you know get positively tested, or did sx just match?
So not to pour more anecdotal fuel on the fire, so to speak, but I know of someone who had a confirmed case of COVID last spring in the US, then was tested for antibodies this spring and had few, and then caught it again in India a few weeks ago. Each time was symptomatic. Again, a single data point, I'd be happy to believe that there's lasting immunity.
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#90This was completely expected, since this is the case with the other coronaviruses. People that contracted SARS-CoV-1 still have a strong immune response almost 20 years later.
Saying that coronavirus infections in general produce long-lasting immunity is too strong, I think. For non-SARS coronaviruses (e.g. HCoV-OC43), immunity seems to drop off within a year: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-1083-1
https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/j...