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Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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block them via dns. most users that are on facebook probably do not know how to go around that block.

Are you suggesting that the German government try to prevent its citizens from using Facebook "for their own good"?

The same is being done with the pirate bay in many EU countries, it's not unprecedented. Though I agree it's unlikely here.

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Facebook would rather be booted out than remove data collection, because they (probably correctly) have determined that a service like theirs cannot exist without advertising unless a global ban is created. If they are banned in Europe, the new service will be pay to use in order to generate revenue. In which case, nobody outside Europe would use it. In which case, barely anyone inside Europe would use it. Facebook k…

Advertising is possible to do without invasive data collection.

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Facebook would rather be booted out than remove data collection, because they (probably correctly) have determined that a service like theirs cannot exist without advertising unless a global ban is created. If they are banned in Europe, the new service will be pay to use in order to generate revenue. In which case, nobody outside Europe would use it. In which case, barely anyone inside Europe would use it. Facebook k…

Advertising is possible to do without invasive data collection.

Some advertising, sure. I’ve advertised on Facebook and without being able to select people in my area that are engaged to be married it’d be utterly useless to me.

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Is there any recourse that would force Facebook to comply?

The EU courts could go after any assets/companies associated with Facebook operating in the EU and basically dissolve them as bankrupt if they fail to pay their increasing fines. Another venue is to go directly after Facebooks European customers and make it illegal for any company to pay Facebook for ads targeting European customers. In the end this would force Facebook to abandon Europe and lead to local competitors…

I wonder if they could put an arrest warrant out for Mark Zuckerberg for something like contempt of court?

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Facebook would rather be booted out than remove data collection, because they (probably correctly) have determined that a service like theirs cannot exist without advertising unless a global ban is created. If they are banned in Europe, the new service will be pay to use in order to generate revenue. In which case, nobody outside Europe would use it. In which case, barely anyone inside Europe would use it. Facebook k…

Germany would do well to ban all advertising based services. Fuck them all!

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Yes, they can enforce whatever they want if the punishment is locking that company out of the EU, the largest internal market in the world. No multinational company wants to lose access to such a huge market. The EU actually has a huge leverage to push things, it just chooses not to exercise that power most of the time.

without the UK the EU is now the third largest (with the RCEP being first)

The US and China are now both larger than the EU economy.

The RCEP isn't an internal market. In its ideal outcome it's a partial trade agreement, not all-inclusive. In its present condition, given relations between its members keeps getting worse, it's barely a functioning trade agreement at all. The odds are overwhelming it'll rip apart, and soon. See: China vs Australia & Co.

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Facebook would rather be booted out than remove data collection, because they (probably correctly) have determined that a service like theirs cannot exist without advertising unless a global ban is created. If they are banned in Europe, the new service will be pay to use in order to generate revenue. In which case, nobody outside Europe would use it. In which case, barely anyone inside Europe would use it. Facebook k…

Germany would do well to ban all advertising based services. Fuck them all!

A huge chunk of internet is supported by some form of advertisement, then they will start blocking germany. Good luck finding a search engine working without ads.

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Sucking up 4% of revenue is catastrophic enough (that is probably double digits of profit). The goal of fines isn't to make be an extinction level event for a company.

> The goal of fines isn't to make be an extinction level event for a company. Why not, out of curiosity? We don't make this distinction for low-income folks who get parking tickets. If you don't make them truly punitive why comply? It just gets factored into the cost of doing business.

A small but not negligible portion of the world does make the distinction between fines for the poor and fines for the rich: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-fine

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Facebook would rather be booted out than remove data collection, because they (probably correctly) have determined that a service like theirs cannot exist without advertising unless a global ban is created. If they are banned in Europe, the new service will be pay to use in order to generate revenue. In which case, nobody outside Europe would use it. In which case, barely anyone inside Europe would use it. Facebook k…

Living here for a few years, I’m slowly getting used to a lot of really habitual, yet ultimately bad things being (almost) banned. Uncontrolled rents, video surveillance, firing people, taking pictures of people - just to name a few. Imo, not each of these bans is the ultimate good solution, but I love and respect these kind of stances. Facebook would just be one of many like that. It’s not essential, and I can’t imagine germans - or people who came here to live in a country with those values - come out on the streets in its support
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