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Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by sweetheart » Wed, May 12, 2021, 12:28 AM UTC

NicoJuicy wrote: post #789

sweetheart wrote: post #783

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Nope, they follow many or all of the extremely problematic standards that are commonplace in the US and Australia. Don’t worry, the EU has published the guidelines for what is considered humane slaughter, so you can verify it for yourself like I did. Also, what did you think of the film? Those are _exactly_ the methods that the EU has approved.

I think the law could use an update for chickens and turkeys for these cases, of that's the case. And that the video doesn't match my experience with when i tagged along with my dad when i was young, who was a veterinarian. As I said, they are going to show the worst examples. I haven't seen any of those anywhere here and I've seen a bunch of them and none were like that. Like i said: And you think that's the default…

I agree, we should _definitely_ update the laws, which is exactly what many organizations are trying to do, like the Humane League.

And I don't doubt that these are not your experiences, and that you've seen far more humane examples. There are many, I'm sure. But the cases of animals being treated as they are in Dominion are not uncommon at all. Like I said, they represent the standard industry practices.

The question then simply becomes when is enough enough? How many animals need to be treated that way before we reject factory farming entirely? Or eating animals entirely?

I _do_ know how many people care about the animals, and it's a lot! Me, you, and probably most folks we know. But it's because I care about them that I don't eat them, and I invite you to do that with me so we can make sure the stuff we see in Dominion isn't only uncommon, but unheard of.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by jlebar » Wed, May 12, 2021, 5:27 AM UTC

danShumway wrote: post #711

jlebar wrote: post #696

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Interested in elaborating? Factory farming is where the majority of our meat comes from, and I've seen no evidence that direct crop farming would result in more small animal lives lost than the meat industry in its current form. I also see little to no evidence that efforts to reform the meat industry are likely to succeed, the "ethical meat" movement is smaller than the vegetarian movement by most measures I can fin…

I guess I should have been more clear.

I think the argument "all consumption of food kills animals, therefore no food is truly vegetarian/vegan, therefore there's no moral distinction between quote-unquote vegan food and factory-farmed meat" is a no-true-Scotsman fallacy.

In other words, I agree with you. :)

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by dunefox » Wed, May 12, 2021, 11:03 PM UTC

daddylongstroke wrote: post #765

dunefox wrote: post #700

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> Where do you draw the line between animals and plants? Exactly there: between animals and plants.

What about fungus or other microbes you kill everyday? Are they more animal, or plant? Why?

Neither.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by danShumway » Wed, May 19, 2021, 1:34 PM UTC

jlebar wrote: post #792

danShumway wrote: post #711

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interested in elaborating? Factory farming is where the majority of our meat comes from, and I've seen no evidence that direct crop farming would result in more small animal lives lost than the meat industry in its current form. I also see little to no evidence that efforts to reform the meat industry are likely to succeed, the "ethical meat" movement is smaller than the vegetarian movement by most measures I can fin…

I guess I should have been more clear. I think the argument "all consumption of food kills animals, therefore no food is truly vegetarian/vegan, therefore there's no moral distinction between quote-unquote vegan food and factory-farmed meat" is a no-true-Scotsman fallacy. In other words, I agree with you. :)

:) Apologies, I need to get better about not assuming intent on here.