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Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

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#31

Playing devil's advocate: as a business/employer why would I continue to pay you your current first-world salary rather than find someone top-notch for 1/3 your salary in India, or any other English speaking country with a lower cost of living?

Time zone differences are bad.

There are software engs in Mexico etc.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

#32

"Since we're not requiring vaccinations, will the company be paying a 5 million dollar life insurance policy for my family as beneficiaries? I'm fine dying but I like to put a price on my own life" This is what I would say if I worked at a place which actually wanted people to come back to the office.

On the contrary, OSHA all but nixed such requirements: If you require your employees to be vaccinated as a condition of employment (i.e., for work-related reasons), then any adverse reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine is work-related. https://www.natlawreview.com/article/osha-s-new-guidance-rec...

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Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

#34

Playing devil's advocate: as a business/employer why would I continue to pay you your current first-world salary rather than find someone top-notch for 1/3 your salary in India, or any other English speaking country with a lower cost of living?

There are high quality workers everywhere in the world, but they are also expensive. You generally get what you pay for - the skilled developers in others countries are also smart enough to find a better deal if they are underpaid. The 1/3 price workers are not at the same level, and quite frankly often overpaid compared to their relative productivity.

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#35

Playing devil's advocate: as a business/employer why would I continue to pay you your current first-world salary rather than find someone top-notch for 1/3 your salary in India, or any other English speaking country with a lower cost of living?

There are many advantages to remote/home office for employers. Even if you just hire in your country, you can save a lot on office space, costs for niceties in the office (coffee, food, etc).

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#36

I would like to know as well. Depending on the size of the company it may be easier to get special treatment. We’ve heard from top-down that we need to be back in the office and there’s been no special treatment given other than some allusions to a hybrid workweek compromise. The only way I think it would be possible at a large company would be to engage in some sort of wfh soft-strike collectively. With enough emplo…

It’s almost like JP Morgan has a vested interest in the success of commercial real estate. HMMMMMMM

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

#37

Playing devil's advocate: as a business/employer why would I continue to pay you your current first-world salary rather than find someone top-notch for 1/3 your salary in India, or any other English speaking country with a lower cost of living?

To play devil's advocate to your devil's advocate: why haven't you been doing this already for the past 5 years?

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

#38

Playing devil's advocate: as a business/employer why would I continue to pay you your current first-world salary rather than find someone top-notch for 1/3 your salary in India, or any other English speaking country with a lower cost of living?

If I accepted a (negotiable) pay cut and/or agreed to forfeit some of the company benefits, would you allow me to WFH instead of hiring a cheaper engineer?

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

#39

"Since we're not requiring vaccinations, will the company be paying a 5 million dollar life insurance policy for my family as beneficiaries? I'm fine dying but I like to put a price on my own life" This is what I would say if I worked at a place which actually wanted people to come back to the office.

Good luck proving you caught sars in the office and not going to the super market or in your own home.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

#40

I will be starting that conversation with my boss later this week. At the end of the day, I think the key thing is you need to be fully prepared to move on if negotiations fail and the current job doesn't deliver what you are after. For myself, I have enough buffer and leads that I am confident I can get somewhere fully remote or at least closer to home before the savings get uncomfortably low, and so that's my red l…

Absolutely, people talk about mindset, and this is it. You should be prepared to walk away from a bad deal: going back into the office.

However, don't reveal things like "youre willing to compromise on salary to work from home". I've made a lot of concessions when I really want something, and thinking back, I didn't need to in many cases. In fact, ask for a raise in the same conversation. Be mentally prepared to ask for more, because you have done a lot more this year working from home than you have working in the office.

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