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Re: Ask HN: What passive income investments exist to supplement your salary?

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Publish books on Amazon. I've published 4 and make about $3k in profit per month, after paying for ads on amazon. Don't write them yourself, that's a lot of work. Instead, do key word research about what books sell in non-fiction categories (fiction is a whole different ballgame). Look for keywords that 1) auto complete in the amazon search bar, and 2) have less than 4,000 matching books, and 3) have an average Amazo…

How much do you have to spend on ads to make the $3K? I I imagine it's a hefty sum?

Around $1000 - $1500. The $3k varies by month too. April and May have been slow, while Jan/Feb were really good.

Re: Ask HN: What passive income investments exist to supplement your salary?

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So, about renting, I bought a single family home for $500k in bay area. It now is worth $1M. Gets me rent before expenses of $40000. So far, I have spent about $5k per year on. Repairs etc. So effectively, I make about $20k after taxes, repairs, mortgage interest etc. Overall, I spent $350k by way of downpayment, mortage interest payment, etc. No major tenant issues. Hence, I would peg my return on investment of 5% i…

If you put only 20% down to buy it, that's 100k. So 20k/year is 20% returns, right?

Over the years, I got cold feet and paid off somenof the principal. Thats why I said overall I spent $350k so far

Re: Ask HN: What passive income investments exist to supplement your salary?

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So, about renting, I bought a single family home for $500k in bay area. It now is worth $1M. Gets me rent before expenses of $40000. So far, I have spent about $5k per year on. Repairs etc. So effectively, I make about $20k after taxes, repairs, mortgage interest etc. Overall, I spent $350k by way of downpayment, mortage interest payment, etc. No major tenant issues. Hence, I would peg my return on investment of 5% i…

What about depreciation and lowering your taxable income?

My tax advisor said that for our income levels, it will not decrease or increase any tax brackets.

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Publish books on Amazon. I've published 4 and make about $3k in profit per month, after paying for ads on amazon. Don't write them yourself, that's a lot of work. Instead, do key word research about what books sell in non-fiction categories (fiction is a whole different ballgame). Look for keywords that 1) auto complete in the amazon search bar, and 2) have less than 4,000 matching books, and 3) have an average Amazo…

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Re: Ask HN: What passive income investments exist to supplement your salary?

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's my fear. But can you tell me in what situations I cannot evict my tenants. (Honest question).

Most states have eviction moratoriums until 6/30 right now due to the pandemic.

Got it. Thx

Re: Ask HN: What passive income investments exist to supplement your salary?

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I see a lot of people talking about rental properties and I don't think there's enough talk in favor of rental properties so here's my shot at it.

My philosophy of being a landlord is not to bank on appreciation, but rather find houses where the mortgage is well below what tenants are paying for. How do you find those kinds of houses? You buy dilapidated houses, renovate them and then rent them out. If you don't want to go through that work, there are middlemen called "turnkey providers" that renovate houses and then sell them to investors for a profit.

From there, you can decide whether to manage the property yourself (less passive) or hire a property manager (more passive). If you hire a property manager, they do all of the busy work associated with owning a house like finding tenants, collecting rent, evicting tenants. They do not get paid unless there is a tenant on the property so it's in their best interest to find you a good tenant.

The thing I like most about rental properties is four fold: 1) Positive cash flow (rent minus all operating costs) 2) Depreciation (in the US, you can depreciate the cost of the house--not land--over 27.5 years which usually makes the cash flow stated above tax free) 3) Principal payments (part of the mortgage the tenant pays goes into the principal of the property--usually around 30% of the first payment goes to principal if you put down 20% and it only goes up from there) 4) Appreciation (the house & land usually appreciates at pace with inflation)

Graham Stephan talks about this in his YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8wNUaBgZTk

Also remember, the longer you hold the property, the higher the rent will be while your 30 year loan will stay flat. This makes holding property much more appealing later on but with higher repair bills as well as things start to break.

There's a lot of advantages with owning homes IF you do the math correctly. Here's a video of Brandon Turner, the owner of Bigger Pockets, discussing how to analyze rental properties for the math to make sense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uogn4qtZ8U

Also, if there's a downturn in the market, usually people that own homes move to rental properties.

If you're interested in rental properties, I'd suggest the bigger pockets forums where you can read about everyone doing this type of stuff: https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums

Re: Ask HN: What passive income investments exist to supplement your salary?

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post #22

So, about renting, I bought a single family home for $500k in bay area. It now is worth $1M. Gets me rent before expenses of $40000. So far, I have spent about $5k per year on. Repairs etc. So effectively, I make about $20k after taxes, repairs, mortgage interest etc. Overall, I spent $350k by way of downpayment, mortage interest payment, etc. No major tenant issues. Hence, I would peg my return on investment of 5% i…

Over the lifespan of owning the building, say a few decades, you can expect: 1. Rare but highly expensive major expenses like a new roof, new heating system, etc. It's like a tail risk- you don't pay for it most years, but when it comes up, it costs a lot. 2. Required renovations- just to stay at your current level of quality. I.e. let's say you rent to normal middle class tenants now. In 10-15 years, you'll need to…

Thanks. This is great insight and one that is missing from most online discussions. I am really terrified of this situation because it will bring down my ROI. Also, I dont like to deal with contractors and related headaches. We will see how it pans out.
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