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A review of correlations between big five personality types and life outcomes

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Re: A review of correlations between big five personality types and life outcomes

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Post by moksly »

Moodles wrote: post #192
moksly wrote: post #160

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I think it’s perfectly ethical to game the tests, but it can be hard to tell what’s actually being tested. One or ours was deliberately set up so that prospect hires applying for a leadership position would end up with very, very, little in their empathy score if they chose answers that sound like the “right” ones for a leadership position. It was done to catch people off guard in their next interview, and see how th…

Or, perhaps even more cynically, the HR people are just making up Important Tests to look like they’re doing something important, because they too just want to feed the corporate machine enough so they can feed their families.

If you wan my personal opinion I think HR exists solely to come up with reasons for HR to exist. Well minus the administrative part of handling employees payments (including stuff like maternity/sick leave) and the lawyers. But both of those functions could be branched into economy and general legal.

The entire branch of team-building/personality matching/management consulting/management training/management network facilitating is a fat unnecessary cow that enterprise organisations will never get rid of because they are very good at being “people skills” and positioning themselves with top management.

After a year of lockdowns, where they’ve been completely unable to execute their regular function, their absence have left no mark on our organisation though.

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Post by at_a_remove »

smabie wrote: post #209
at_a_remove wrote: post #194

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First, just going out and doing things, namely concerts. Hundreds upon hundreds of concerts. I'm very good at going to concerts (obtaining tickets, optimal parking, getting everything ready) but I still do not enjoy myself. Various combinations of medications, prescribed and self-selected, have failed. It wasn't exhaustive exactly but I would say that it was a good survey of the field. Memorizing quite a lot of detai…

Adderall and/or alcohol seem to work well for me. But those aren't exactly costless either..

Those are definitely in the list of things I have tried. I had high hopes for a stimulant of some kind.

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Post by dTal »

mcguire wrote: post #109
CompelTechnic wrote: post #101

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Turns out that the big 5 have predictive power. Hard to call it "tea leaves" if it has broad correlates with human behavior that are replicable across cultures and predict forward-looking behavior.

That's the argument usually presented for intelligence testing.

My goodness, is intelligence testing now so taboo that this constitutes an argument?

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Post by infogulch »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #239
infogulch wrote: post #94

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Wikipedia states it pretty well, "When factor analysis (a statistical technique) is applied to personality survey data, it reveals semantic associations: some words used to describe aspects of personality are often applied to the same person." [1] The Big Five are a statistically-derived groupings of phrases that are reasonably stable when measured from different angles. I think it would be fair to call it a "modest…

Wildly successful is a term that would be better applied to item response theory models, the Big 5 (and personality psychology more generally) are at the leeches stage compared to them. That being said, it's much much harder to develop measures when you rely on other measures of the same type to validate them, which is where personality testing is right now.

By response theory do you mean behavior research by Skinner, Panksepp, etc? Yes, basically everything in personality psychology barely even registers compared to that, I agree that my comparison was too broad. A more reasonable statement might have been that Big 5 is wildly successful compared to other personality models.

Thank you for the correction.

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Post by rkk3 »

barry-cotter wrote: post #219
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I doubt it, less than 115 is 85% of people. Aside from the low end IQ really isn't that predictive.

81%. Yes, a large majority of people are incapable of becoming lawyers, doctors or engineers. IQ is predictive at the low, middle and high end. There is no evidence of a threshold at which more ceases to be better. Emphasis below not in originalz > Can You Ever Be Too Smart for Your Own Good? Comparing Linear and Nonlinear Effects of Cognitive Ability on Life Outcomes > Despite a long-standing expert consensus about…

Pr(X ≤ μ + 1σ) is closer to 84% but sure I was rounding up...

It is most explanatory at the low end; Cognitively Challenged. Elsewhere it has a correlation it is just not as significant, which is not in conflict with your link.

If you tested all the Children in the US you aren't going to be able to accurately rule out 84% of them from professional careers by IQ.

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Post by feanaro »

moksly wrote: post #229
feanaro wrote: post #169

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Why wouldn't HR be testing software engineering candidates?

Because you don’t really need the full personality profile show when you are interviewing people who aren’t going to be managers. It’s not an insignificant amount of resources you put into the process. Not only do you take up HR resources, the team that is helping you recruit is also going to need to spend time going over the results with HR and the candidate. In my optics that is an unnecessary waste of resources. N…

It depends on what you mean by a "full personality profile". I think a skillfully chosen selection of tests, which may sometimes include personality tests, can aid in the selection of the proper candidate.

I agree that the battery of tests used should not be the same in every case. It should be tailored to the situation and to the position you are hiring for.

> Not only do you take up HR resources, the team that is helping you recruit is also going to need to spend time going over the results with HR and the candidate.

I have second-hand experience that this can be made very streamlined and does not take much time at all. Especially when you have a large number of prospective candidates and will not be able to see them all in person, a pre-filtering done by a skilled HR person is better than a random draw.

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Post by feanaro »

moksly wrote: post #230
xwolfi wrote: post #175

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Well because it's hard for them to come up with question and judge responses. But I guess this means HR shouldnt skill-test anyone. We d all agree they shouldn't test a racecar driver, a CEO, a mathematician. But the guy saying that probably doesnt work: HR never test anyone. They handle the process. He may be confusing it with wrong job posting that people attribute to HR (like N years xp in N-5 years old tech) whic…

> HR never test anyone. They handle the proces. Maybe we have different ways of defining things, or maybe my English isn’t good enough to convey the meaning. But isn’t HR handling the process of personality testing, HR testing people? When we utilise personality testing, a HR consultant actually tests the candidates. It’s their test, they spend millions developing it and you have to be certified to perform it.

Yes, that's what I observe in my locale as well. HR people are usually trained psychologists. Administering and interpreting psychological tests properly is one of the major topics of the profession.

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Post by vmception »

pmiller2 wrote: post #228
vmception wrote: post #150

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Myers Briggs is astrology for people that scoff at astrology I will code switch between star signs and personality acronyms to get in your pants and assign zero weight to either

Technical analysis of securities is for people who scoff at both. I've often referred to it as "numerology for smart people."

ooooh, them's fighting words!

I agree though and simply say its not my trading strategy.

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Post by vlovich123 »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #235
vlovich123 wrote: post #85

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Humorism was a field of academic study for two millennia before germ theory demonstrated how laughable the entire field was. It’s always important to remember that doing research in a field doesn’t necessarily mean that the field itself is on a solid foundation that maps to reality. Psychology and psychiatry really do struggle to demonstrate statistically meaningful results behind most therapies (CBT is perhaps a not…

> Neuroscience has a bit more behind it because it’s actually rooted in quantifiable measurements somewhat and even there it’s difficult. The problem still remains of how the physical measurements (even assuming we could measure them perfectly, which we definitely can't) relate to the internal experience. Any real theory of psychology/neuroscience needs to be able to explain that, and currently I'm not aware of any t…

Sounds like we're in agreement. What I hear you saying is that the current situation is likely worse than my pessimistic take on it, right? :).

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Post by pmiller2 »

vmception wrote: post #248
pmiller2 wrote: post #228

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Technical analysis of securities is for people who scoff at both. I've often referred to it as "numerology for smart people."

ooooh, them's fighting words! I agree though and simply say its not my trading strategy.

Yeah, I half expected a couple downvotes on that one, lol. :P

But, seriously, IMO, to the extent that technical analysis "works," it's probably just exploiting short term momentum. Momentum strategies have been shown to generate alpha. Other than that, you'd probably be just as well off reading tea leaves and goat entrails to guide your trading strategy.

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