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A review of correlations between big five personality types and life outcomes

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Re: A review of correlations between big five personality types and life outcomes

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Post by planet-and-halo »

periheli0n wrote: post #103
namenotrequired wrote: post #98

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> Take for example “Openness”. It’s not hard to imagine how the very same person can be very open with one group of people Lest this be misunderstood, note that "Openness" in this context is not about being honest. It is short for "Openness to Experience". Roughly, it's about creativity and curiosity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openness_to_experience

Good point. Still, a person that radiates creativity and curiosity in an environment that they find inspiring could be the exact opposite in another environment that they find less suitable. Hence my point that this personality trait stuff is at least as much dependent on context as on personal traits.

That's widely accepted as part of personality theory. The idea is that you have some "base setting," not that you will literally try anything (or refuse to try anything). It should also be noted that personality is one aspect of your psychology. It doesn't absolutely determine how you will behave under a given set of circumstances. Example: you might be very open to experience, but as a child you were bit by a dog. Next time you see a dog, your experience-based fear could easily overwhelm your natural curiosity.

Re: A review of correlations between big five personality types and life outcomes

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Post by fighterpilot »

austincheney wrote: post #142
fighterpilot wrote: post #132

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But they are linked. Studies have shown a very high correlation. One outlier doesn't change the high correlation.

If those studies don’t separate preparation from raw performance they only suggest a self-reinforcing bias different from capability. Any correlation then is purely anecdotal.

The high correlation suggests that both preparation/study and raw intelligence are important in getting a high SAT score. If you sacrifice one of those two things, you'll get a low SAT score. If you have both, you'll get a high score.

Re: A review of correlations between big five personality types and life outcomes

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Post by vmception »

Icathian wrote: post #154
vmception wrote: post #150

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Myers Briggs is astrology for people that scoff at astrology I will code switch between star signs and personality acronyms to get in your pants and assign zero weight to either

"I will lie to manipulate you into fucking me, and also I think I'm smarter than everyone". You charmer, you.

You decided to read that

I dont lie about my astrology signs or myer briggs result

I judge which one will likely help create an intimate consensual scenario and judge when to avoid criticizing either school of thought as disagreement is usually counterproductive to a consensual reproductive scenario

Pick your battles wisely

Out of even more adaptive curiosity, how do you read that as lying?

Re: A review of correlations between big five personality types and life outcomes

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Post by Barrin92 »

austincheney wrote: post #2

Conscientiousness is by far the least popular but has the highest income. That is not at all surprising. Objectivity, right and wrong as reflected by a balance of measures, is a rare and unpopular innate personality trait that allows for making micro-decisions many people might find abhorrent, more typically based upon evidence.

Conscientiousness isn't a measure of objectivity, it's a measure of reliability, the capacity to work diligently and adhere to rules. It correlates with income well because we're living in a very institutionalized society that rewards people who adhere to rules and follow expectations.

In the US it's basically what upper middle-class WASP culture is and it sustains a large share of income because it's very good at reproducing itself and managing organisations, it's all the lawyers, and bureaucrats, politicians and administrators and so on, it's all the people who're really good at making schedules.

Re: A review of correlations between big five personality types and life outcomes

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Post by fallingknife »

kijin wrote: post #9
austincheney wrote: post #2

Conscientiousness is by far the least popular but has the highest income. That is not at all surprising. Objectivity, right and wrong as reflected by a balance of measures, is a rare and unpopular innate personality trait that allows for making micro-decisions many people might find abhorrent, more typically based upon evidence.

According to the same chart, conscientious people also seem to perform significantly better in college than everyone else. In the modern world, better GPAs are usually correlated with higher income. Interestingly, those people don't seem to do particularly well in the SAT. Perhaps their abilities are "unlocked" to the fullest only after they get into college and get a chance to make independent decisions.

Grades are shockingly dependent on completing busywork on time, so I am not at all surprised that conscientiousness beats intelligence there.

Re: A review of correlations between big five personality types and life outcomes

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Post by hinoki »

vmception wrote: post #163
Icathian wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I will lie to manipulate you into fucking me, and also I think I'm smarter than everyone". You charmer, you.

You decided to read that I dont lie about my astrology signs or myer briggs result I judge which one will likely help create an intimate consensual scenario and judge when to avoid criticizing either school of thought as disagreement is usually counterproductive to a consensual reproductive scenario Pick your battles wisely Out of even more adaptive curiosity, how do you read that as lying?

I think it just means you are an Agreeable person and GP is more Conscientious ;)

Re: A review of correlations between big five personality types and life outcomes

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Post by SneakyTornado29 »

akomtu wrote: post #66
maxqin1 wrote: post #48

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> I have around a 148 That's rather impressive, but I would double-check those numbers. For example, which IQ test? Was it recently updated? IQ tests are adjusted by as many as 10 points every 10 years [1]. Have you double verified with another test? How did you prepare for each? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

I think a good IQ test would be finding isomorphic graphs. A typical question would be: here's a graph with 7 nodes, tell which of the 4 graphs below it matches.

Lol i just learned about these today

Re: A review of correlations between big five personality types and life outcomes

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Post by themodelplumber »

justnotworthit wrote: post #153

Author claims ENFJ is opposite of ISTP in MB. I thought it was the groupings (first two, second two, and/or/? combination) that formed opposites, not the individual letters.

Taking the individual letters' opposite is pretty common. The interpretation of the resulting opposite differs somewhat by system. (This is getting into what's known as four-letter Jungian type, not specifically MBTI)

There are also temperament groups, which are NF, SP, NT (HackerNews' audience...), and SJ. Generally you don't want streams to cross here with the type of information people of each temperament want to consume and the time perspective they prefer (past, present, future), though there is some overlap.

Some would say it's a good idea to get at type opposites by mirroring the functions, e.g. ENFJ (FeNiSeTi-FiNeSiTe) would be functionally opposite to ESTJ (TeSiNeFi-TiSeNiFe). So these two type groups would tend to want to repress' the other's perceptive and decision-making functionality. The same would not necessarily be as true, or true in the same way, with e.g. ISTP and ENFJ, which some would consider a potentially lovely pairing due to shared function-valuing, meaning that these two opposites will naturally develop toward the other over time, from a developmental perspective.

I think Isabel Briggs-Meyers had her own view of the first four functions' order, which you can read in her book "Gifts Differing". This would also yield a different type of opposite.

Re: A review of correlations between big five personality types and life outcomes

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Post by feanaro »

moksly wrote: post #155
mathrando wrote: post #43

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Articles like this answer the question, "what if 1920s eugenicists got hold of 1980s magazine relationship tests?" The scary thing is a lot of commercial "people analytics" systems marketed to HR departments, lenders, and government agencies are little more than dressed up relationship tests from 1980s magazines. https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~arvindn/talks/MIT-STS-AI-snake...

Unless a HR department is doing something wrong, the test results aren’t the point of the tests. It’s the conversation following, where possible employees are confronted with their answers and results that’s the point. It’s just easier to get there when you use a disguised relationship tests from 1980ies magazines. Not only does it touch on relevant areas, most people that you’d use the HR resources on secretly love…

Why wouldn't HR be testing software engineering candidates?

Re: A review of correlations between big five personality types and life outcomes

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Post by rogers18445 »

Big Five is an atheoretic construct, derived through factor analysis. Given names after the fact. Similar to IQ in that way - the difference being is that IQ ended with a single factor rather than 5.

Attacking the big five would be a fruitless endeavor, the tests have obvious substance and are reducible to 5 factors, can't do anything about that.

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