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Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)

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Re: Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)

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Post by alpaca128 »

lamontcg wrote: post #22
walrus01 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something is starting to go really wrong in HDD pricing, following GPUs and other things, because I bought that same 8TB drive two years ago for $147. Hard drive prices are supposed to decrease in $ per TB over a multi year period, with advances in areal density.

The "proof of space" Chia cryptocurrency: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27009843

I'm starting to wonder what'll occur first: the bubble popping or the whole hardware market coming to a standstill because of 16 different "proof of xyz" schemes.

I cannot wait for internet connections to become unusable after a currency introduces "proof of bandwidth".

Re: Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)

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Post by young_unixer »

andrewjl wrote: post #23
na85 wrote: post #11

I've seen estimates of the total sci-hub/libgen size at anywhere from 20TB to 75+TB. Probably there are lots of dupes in there, and a dedicated dedup effort could reduce that size by a bit. But taking the upper end: A WD Black 10 TB platter drive[0] costs $329, which means it would take only $2700 or so to have enough storage space to archive what's basically the sum total of human scientific knowledge. [0] - https:/…

Obvious copyright & TOS issues aside, how does this compare to the S3 bill?

Why not do it from home?

Downloading 20TB would take me 74.074 hours @ 600 mbps.

Downloading 75TB would take 277,7 hours.

Both sound reasonable. Am I missing something?

Re: Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)

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Post by kylegordon »

na85 wrote: post #25
andrewjl wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obvious copyright & TOS issues aside, how does this compare to the S3 bill?

Good question. It's about $0.023 per GB per month for a US East Coast instance, so some $1700/mo for 75TB. Plus you don't really control the data if it's on someone else's computer so there's a potential opportunity cost there as well.

Half that if you use Infrequent Access, reduce it more if you do something sensible with Glacier policies - it is an archive after all.

You'd need to consider method costs, egress, etc on top of all that, to be fair

Re: Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)

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Post by kylegordon »

alpaca128 wrote: post #31
lamontcg wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "proof of space" Chia cryptocurrency: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27009843

I'm starting to wonder what'll occur first: the bubble popping or the whole hardware market coming to a standstill because of 16 different "proof of xyz" schemes. I cannot wait for internet connections to become unusable after a currency introduces "proof of bandwidth".

https://pkt.cash/

Re: Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)

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Post by devwastaken »

Recently Mega took down a popular ethereum miner download for no given reason. Underground archival is much more difficult than people give credit for. Most vpn's being U.S. based are well within logging laws + secret court orders. TOR just this week had hundreds of exit nodes flooded in for an attempted deanonymization attack. It's tough times for being a data share.

Re: Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)

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Post by andyxor »

johntash wrote: post #18

This is from 2 years ago. Is there a new effort going on related to this?

I don't think so, but this didn't become less important, and both sci-hub and libgen could use a donation or help with archiving/seeding those TBs of scientific articles

sci-hub bitcoin address (from sci-hub.do): 12PCbUDS4ho7vgSccmixKTHmq9qL2mdSns

libgen donation page https://libgen.life/viewtopic.php?p=79795#p79795

Re: Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)

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Post by bserge »

alpaca128 wrote: post #31
lamontcg wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "proof of space" Chia cryptocurrency: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27009843

I'm starting to wonder what'll occur first: the bubble popping or the whole hardware market coming to a standstill because of 16 different "proof of xyz" schemes. I cannot wait for internet connections to become unusable after a currency introduces "proof of bandwidth".

Add them all together for the ultimate, proof of destruction: cryptocurrency backed by atmospheric pollution, fauna and flora extinction and natural resource exhaustion.

Buy it now, it definitely won't last forever! :D

Bu seriously, I still don't understand cryptocurrencies. So, your X discoin is worth Y million real money. But that's only while it's in cryptocurrency form.

If people start cashing out, the value will plummet, right? Only the first few will get close to the high value?

That seems very similar to a pyramid/ponzi scheme to me.

On that note, would it survive some catastrophic event? Like the Internet going down. A bunch of gold will. Hell, invest in power generators and batteries, those will survive and be worth a lot.

Can Bitcoin be restored and restarted from one computer with the whole ledger stored on it?

Re: Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)

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Post by quixoticelixer- »

na85 wrote: post #11

I've seen estimates of the total sci-hub/libgen size at anywhere from 20TB to 75+TB. Probably there are lots of dupes in there, and a dedicated dedup effort could reduce that size by a bit. But taking the upper end: A WD Black 10 TB platter drive[0] costs $329, which means it would take only $2700 or so to have enough storage space to archive what's basically the sum total of human scientific knowledge. [0] - https:/…

I'm really sorry for you if you think that all human knowledge is in scientific papers

Re: Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)

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Post by someguyorother »

bserge wrote: post #38
alpaca128 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm starting to wonder what'll occur first: the bubble popping or the whole hardware market coming to a standstill because of 16 different "proof of xyz" schemes. I cannot wait for internet connections to become unusable after a currency introduces "proof of bandwidth".

Add them all together for the ultimate, proof of destruction: cryptocurrency backed by atmospheric pollution, fauna and flora extinction and natural resource exhaustion. Buy it now, it definitely won't last forever! :D Bu seriously, I still don't understand cryptocurrencies. So, your X discoin is worth Y million real money . But that's only while it's in cryptocurrency form. If people start cashing out, the value wil…

> Add them all together for the ultimate, proof of destruction: cryptocurrency backed by atmospheric pollution, fauna and flora extinction and natural resource exhaustion.

Make a DoomCoin! It would keep 12 difficulty counters, one for each proof of whatever, and getting farthest ahead in one of them lets you mine a new block.

That way it can distort the prices of (sorry, "effectively allocate") CPUs, GPUs, disks, ASICs, RAM... anything else you can come up with.

Sounds like a good project for a comic book villain.

>Can Bitcoin be restored and restarted from one computer with the whole ledger stored on it?

Yes, but it may be very slow the first period, as it would be used to the pre-collapse difficulty level.

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