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Come on. The ultra-rich don’t pay their fair share. You know this and everyone knows this. Wealth inequality is obscene. Full stop.
The top 1% pay 6x more tax than the bottom 50%! It's obscene how much they pay and how a small group of individuals is forced to carry the entire country. Much, much more should be expected from the bottom 50%.
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Unless you are making more than $400,000, the new tax proposals would not affect you. What is your definition of "middle class"? Someone making $400k is most certainly in the top 1%. What tax changes have occurred so far in the past few decades that are significantly affecting you? I would genuinely like to know
Owns a reasonable home in a decent school district with a commute around 30 minutes. Eats out a few times a month. Takes 1-2 vacations a year. If upper middle class, savings adequate to gradually upgrade housing, send kids to University of State, etc. If regular middle class, home will be maintained against entropy and kids will take out student loans. Either way, will retire at the usual time. In some places $400k c…
Can you name a place, anywhere in the world, where $400k/yr is not enough to survive for one family?
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Not really. The Biden administration’s proposals include more funding and organisational reform for the IRS. Democrats have been talking for some time about how the steady defunding of the IRS has resulted in less tax collection from the rich and powerful.
Reforming the IRS as an organization doesn't work when it's tax law that's the problem.
Why fail to fix one over the other?
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#134Re: Evidence from leaked account data on how elites use offshore banking [pdf]
#135I see a similar authoritarian nerd attitude in security all the time, where someone finds an unexpectedly invasive surveillance method and then tries to ingratiate themselves to the institutions who can mandate it. They think they have made something people want, when in fact they have only invented a new way to betray their fellow citizens to the insatiable will to power of bureaucracies. (Contrary to the talking points of their apologists, bureaucracies are in fact not made of people, they are made of bureaucrats)
Let's look at a problem these organizations don't care about, like the real social issue that is domestic money laundering, which not only converts the proceeds of really harmful crimes into legit bank deposits, it harms communities directly with real estate and rental bubbles, diseconomic businesses, dumping, political and police corruption, all of which their anti-capital policies directly create. The revenue-gap nerds are fine with laundering because some of it comes into the tax net, social consequences be damned.
While I have never earned enough to hide it in my life, I wish the class of people who think governments have a revenue problem but not a spending or scope problem would try solving a problem they didn't first cause for a change instead of thinking the world needs more of their concern and facilitation.
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The top 1% pay 6x more tax than the bottom 50%! It's obscene how much they pay and how a small group of individuals is forced to carry the entire country. Much, much more should be expected from the bottom 50%.
>The top 1% pay 6x more tax than the bottom 50%! And yet their share of wealth keeps on growing and growing for decades. Curious.
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#137That's why i'm against high taxes. We get a bunch of random political parties, promising to "tax the rich" and stuff, we get new laws... and what happens? - The poor already pay very little tax - no change there - The rich avoid the tax by doing shady stuff (who remembers the panama papers.. or this.. or many other stories like these) - I, the middle class engineer get fucked by the taxes, and I get fucked hard, and…
Re: Evidence from leaked account data on how elites use offshore banking [pdf]
#138That's why i'm against high taxes. We get a bunch of random political parties, promising to "tax the rich" and stuff, we get new laws... and what happens? - The poor already pay very little tax - no change there - The rich avoid the tax by doing shady stuff (who remembers the panama papers.. or this.. or many other stories like these) - I, the middle class engineer get fucked by the taxes, and I get fucked hard, and…
And in many developed nations also (naturally) get the biggest net benefits.
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#139Throwaway for obvious reasons Since the world is lacking in the department of opinion of wealthy men , let me add something to this discussion: I'm currently in the situation of becoming rich (from a global standpoint, unicorn early employees would laugh at my near future net worth) due to selling my company. I'm having conversations with both tax lawyers and private bankers who are interested in helping me manage my…
Throwaway for obvious reasons
Since the world is lacking in the department of opinion of wealthy men[1], let me add something to this discussion:
I'm currently in the situation of becoming rich (from a global standpoint, unicorn early employees would laugh at my near future net worth) due to selling my company. I'm having conversations with both tax lawyers and private bankers who are interested in helping me manage my future money. It's very clear for both sides that:
a) I never want not to be rich again
b) Paying less taxes is better than paying more taxes
Even so, all the professionals I talked to were very straightforward with saying that trying to avoid taxes would bring more headaches than it was worth it. Deferring taxes is considered kosher even for tax authorities as long as I declare everything I have correctly and it wouldn't be that bad after the first uh, let's say bite after the liquidation event.
Still, they insisted that an offshore structure would be useful to me for the rest of my life. I'm not American, I'm a citizen of a developing country that isn't a total mess, but it's... developing. And let's leave it at that. A few cases that convinced me:
1) Tax officers have no downside to suing even completely transparent transactions. It's completely possible to get a tax bill with a heavy fine on top years after the fact because suddenly someone thought something was off. One of the tax lawyers I talked to mentioned[2] how he nullified a ~hundreds of millions fine/reassessment, but only after a long (+expensive) legal battle and a lot of stress for the sellers. Totally unfounded, and he mentioned it happened more than once.
2) I almost lost my exit because the government bureaucracy was not working due to covid and the buyer had a hard deadline for Q1. Said bureaucratic procedure would be a single docusign in a business-friendly jurisdiction (aka tax heaven)
3) American private bankers find it a hassle to deal with developing country clients directly, handling their money through offshore accounts (as a business client, that is, the shell corp is the private banking client) is a lot easier.
4) This is not a case, but: I don't love paying taxes, but I understand that I live in a poor country and of course taking a tax dollar from me is a lot fairer than taking a tax dollar from my poor neighbor. Still, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that my government, or at least a few unsavory parties that could be in charge one day, decides that it wants to set a high wealth tax or outright confiscate investments and I don't plan on making that easy (see point a above).
So, there's that. No need to feel sympathies for the (future) millionaire here, just want to share that avoiding taxes is not my primary concern, and could not be for others, too.
[1] Yes, this is a joke [2] Later I confirmed with said client, he was still angry at it
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> I, the middle class engineer get fucked by the taxes Fwiw we feel like middle class but we’re really in the top 5% or higher. We’re the rich people these taxes and politicians talk about. The ultra rich/wealthy are a red herring, there’s only a few 10k of them of them. Only 614 people are billionaires. 7 figure income (salary) puts you in top 0.35% ... that’s 1,120,000 Americans. Not a whole lot. edit: top 10% star…
> The ultra rich/wealthy are a red herring, there’s only a few 10k of them of them. Only 614 people are billionaires. Have a look at what inconveniencing just 400 of them would do (they would still be billionaire after) https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/